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Starmer son finds a quiet place to study for GCSEs

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justasking111 · 25/09/2024 14:21

Can't berate Starmer for this but think some parents will be aghast.

"PM suggests £20,000 accommodation donation was for 'son to find somewhere for GCSE revision' | Evening Standard" https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-donation-son-gcse-housing-acoommodation-prime-minister-b1183972.html

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for 'son to find somewhere for GCSE revision'

Keir Starmer defends his decision to take gifts from Labour peer Lord Alli

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-donation-son-gcse-housing-acoommodation-prime-minister-b1183972.html

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80smonster · 25/09/2024 19:58

Portalsalways · 25/09/2024 19:57

So his position got him an educational advantage for his son. Does that mean he will be paying 20% VAT on it? To improve the education of all other children?

Just like he is insisting parents, whose positions mean they can afford the educational advantage for their children, pay 20% VAT?

Money may not have changed hands but his job is buying his children and educational advantage. Seems only fair he puts his hand in his own deep pockets and pays the 20% out.

I think it’s probably his moral obligation- don’t you? Most kids don’t get a summer home to revise in - sounds like an unfair advantage from where I’m sitting.

Portalsalways · 25/09/2024 19:59

Ketryne · 25/09/2024 19:57

I think a lot of people on here don't actually understand how election campaigns work...
The Labour Party (and every other political party at the same time) were literally sending out emails saying 'if you want us to win this election, send us money'. They were begging for donations because election campaigns are expensive. People donated to the Labour Party, or any other party because they want to support their ability to win that election.

Rich people who also want Labour to win the election can equally choose to donate, just like me or any other person on the Labour Party mailing list. And some supporters chose to support the election campaign with different kinds of help - clothes or a quiet house away from the press (which is recorded with a notional value assigned just like any other 'donation' would be).

Honestly, I'm really not sure how anyone can get themselves worked up about this, unless of course you're just anti Labour and being extremely disingenuous (much like the daily mail).

The only thing Labour are guilty of on this subject is appalling PR management of the story!

How did his son having somewhere quiet to study help the Labour Party get elected?

RVEllacott · 25/09/2024 19:59

Bromptotoo · 25/09/2024 16:50

Maybe, just maybe, being Starmer junior makes it more difficult than using the school library.

If he's being bothered at school because of who his Dad is then the school should address it, just as they would with any other student. The children of other politicians and royal children manage to go to school and, I assume, use libraries on occasion.

Portalsalways · 25/09/2024 20:00

80smonster · 25/09/2024 19:58

I think it’s probably his moral obligation- don’t you? Most kids don’t get a summer home to revise in - sounds like an unfair advantage from where I’m sitting.

Yup. Absolutely.

I don’t have skin in the game as I couldn’t afford private school. But it does sound like his moral obligation to me.

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:00

CustardCreams2 · 25/09/2024 19:17

Exactly. Just because there might be a vacant room in the Ritz right now - doesn’t mean I am entitled to a ‘notional’ free stay - because it wasn’t being used anyway.

If that’s the case, I’m ready to stay in whichever of the following currently has a free room- the Dorchester, Claridges, Mandarin Oriental lol. They weren’t making money on it anyway. 🙄

Surely any child whose education has been disrupted should benefit from such an advantage? Otherwise Starmer is using his own privilege to further that of his children. Which Labour believes is wrong. So wrong, in fact, that it’s their flagship (read dog whistle) policy.

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2024 20:01

80smonster · 25/09/2024 19:58

I think it’s probably his moral obligation- don’t you? Most kids don’t get a summer home to revise in - sounds like an unfair advantage from where I’m sitting.

Since when has Covent Garden been the location of a “summer home”? It doesn’t look like much of an advantage from where I’m sitting.

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:01

Portalsalways · 25/09/2024 20:00

Yup. Absolutely.

I don’t have skin in the game as I couldn’t afford private school. But it does sound like his moral obligation to me.

As long as we agree moral obligations are for everyone, that would be fair enough. But that’s not what we are discussing, is it? Maybe Starmer should offer a 20k donation to an under-performing state school of his choice?

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:02

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2024 20:01

Since when has Covent Garden been the location of a “summer home”? It doesn’t look like much of an advantage from where I’m sitting.

Covent Garden is one of the most expensive areas in London. That makes it even worse. Maybe Starmer should offer a 20k donation to one of the state schools he wants to help? So keen he is to help them, that he himself has forgotten to ‘pay it forward’. Honestly @BIossomtoes give over will you.

Kitte321 · 25/09/2024 20:04

Ketryne · 25/09/2024 19:57

I think a lot of people on here don't actually understand how election campaigns work...
The Labour Party (and every other political party at the same time) were literally sending out emails saying 'if you want us to win this election, send us money'. They were begging for donations because election campaigns are expensive. People donated to the Labour Party, or any other party because they want to support their ability to win that election.

Rich people who also want Labour to win the election can equally choose to donate, just like me or any other person on the Labour Party mailing list. And some supporters chose to support the election campaign with different kinds of help - clothes or a quiet house away from the press (which is recorded with a notional value assigned just like any other 'donation' would be).

Honestly, I'm really not sure how anyone can get themselves worked up about this, unless of course you're just anti Labour and being extremely disingenuous (much like the daily mail).

The only thing Labour are guilty of on this subject is appalling PR management of the story!

Don’t buy that at all. Financial donations directly to a campaign (donations that are heavily scrutinised) is different. This is politicians using their position to procure free goods and services. It immediately makes them conflicted.
it also looks terrible because it’s this exact stuff that he has banged on about being ‘corrupt’ (rightly in my opinion).

CustardCreams2 · 25/09/2024 20:04

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:00

Surely any child whose education has been disrupted should benefit from such an advantage? Otherwise Starmer is using his own privilege to further that of his children. Which Labour believes is wrong. So wrong, in fact, that it’s their flagship (read dog whistle) policy.

Agree with you.

Portalsalways · 25/09/2024 20:05

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:01

As long as we agree moral obligations are for everyone, that would be fair enough. But that’s not what we are discussing, is it? Maybe Starmer should offer a 20k donation to an under-performing state school of his choice?

What do you mean that’s not what we are discussing.

We are discussing the (now) labour Party leader using his position to give his child an educational advantages and all the implications that come with it.

Including the fact that he believes that parents who can get their children an educational advantage should pay 20% VAT on top. So he should pay 4k in VAT for this educational advantage.

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:05

CustardCreams2 · 25/09/2024 20:04

Agree with you.

Otherwise what we are really saying is that the super rich play by their own rules and moral obligations are for the little people.

Portalsalways · 25/09/2024 20:05

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2024 20:01

Since when has Covent Garden been the location of a “summer home”? It doesn’t look like much of an advantage from where I’m sitting.

I would love to spend the summer in an expensive house in Covent Garden’s.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 20:07

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:05

Otherwise what we are really saying is that the super rich play by their own rules and moral obligations are for the little people.

He's just using everything he can for a freebie ride

Houseplanter · 25/09/2024 20:09

@Ketryne how do free glasses, free clothes, free holidays and free accommodation for your kids help a campaign.

I think the thing misunderstood is morals, principles and integrity.

potionsmaster · 25/09/2024 20:11

Even if he offered to pay 20%, that's still not good enough. When he was asked in the TV debate whether he would ever buy his own family an advantage (eg by using a private school or private health), he uttered a crystal clear 'no'.

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:13

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 20:07

He's just using everything he can for a freebie ride

Maybe Starmer should pay some VAT on these luxuries?

CustardCreams2 · 25/09/2024 20:14

potionsmaster · 25/09/2024 20:11

Even if he offered to pay 20%, that's still not good enough. When he was asked in the TV debate whether he would ever buy his own family an advantage (eg by using a private school or private health), he uttered a crystal clear 'no'.

Yea ironically Sunak was more truthful in his response then- that yes he would use private healthcare if his family needed it.

It’s obvious to everyone now that Keir would do the same.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 20:14

potionsmaster · 25/09/2024 20:11

Even if he offered to pay 20%, that's still not good enough. When he was asked in the TV debate whether he would ever buy his own family an advantage (eg by using a private school or private health), he uttered a crystal clear 'no'.

No wonder Liar is topping out the Savanta polling

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:15

Portalsalways · 25/09/2024 20:05

What do you mean that’s not what we are discussing.

We are discussing the (now) labour Party leader using his position to give his child an educational advantages and all the implications that come with it.

Including the fact that he believes that parents who can get their children an educational advantage should pay 20% VAT on top. So he should pay 4k in VAT for this educational advantage.

If Starmer is so worried about state schools being underfunded and privilege being bought, he too should pay VAT on all luxuries. With Labours flagship policy in mind, it would serve him and Labour peers well to donate with their aim front and centre, not blag what they can whilst in power. Surely it’s his moral obligation to pay VAT on all luxuries?

NoSnowdrop · 25/09/2024 20:15

His “honeymoon” period is going so well.

ChanelBoucle · 25/09/2024 20:16

Can’t get worked up over this 🤷‍♀️

Rummly · 25/09/2024 20:16

Starmer is showing a previously unknown and unsuspected flair for face-palm comedy.

First, “Release the sausages”.

Then he justifies a couple of freebie months in an opulent Covent Garden penthouse by saying it was a revision aid for his son!

Top stuff Sir Keir, top stuff.

80smonster · 25/09/2024 20:17

CustardCreams2 · 25/09/2024 20:14

Yea ironically Sunak was more truthful in his response then- that yes he would use private healthcare if his family needed it.

It’s obvious to everyone now that Keir would do the same.

Worse probably. Starmer is more likely to have an NHS ward cleared and himself fast tracked through the VIP entrance.

shmivorytower · 25/09/2024 20:18

i can’t believe what I am reading. I honestly don’t see what the problem is. Election was called (earlier than expected), Starmer moved whole family to a friend’s place that was empty to safeguard the privacy and wellbeing of his children (a justified worry given the tone of some of the responses on this thread), he declared it. The end.