When will things get better under Labour?

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I remember reading a thread asking this, just after the election results. My thoughts at the time were that things wouldn’t change much. I’ve seen governments come and go and nothing much changes. We are the same people, the same country, the same industries and we have the same amount of money.

It’s depressing to see what is going on currently. Is it because we now have a left wing government? If the riots were happening under the Tories would the agitators be labelled as far left?

All governments are the same, they all blame each other for the debt. When Tories came in, Labour left a "humorous" note about no money and now Labour are back in there is a big black hole (though I wonder how much is covid / col that no matter who was in, there would be debt)

We all know, austerity cuts are coming but when Tories done it, they were bastards but when Labour do it, it will be much needed because the Tories are bastards 😂

No I didn't vote Conservatives this year but I do find it funny how the media / social media protray headlines so differently. Anyone seen Marcus Rashford? Food vouchers have been cut but it's okay because it wasn't the Tories that done it. 😆

Pro Brexit campaigners said after Brexit things would be worse for at least generation so I’m not holding out hope of any time soon.

It’s the government, not the Labour Party.

Pay awards have been made in line with pay review bodies’ recommendations. We need public services to function for the economy to thrive and it’s entirely disingenuous to align those pay awards with means testing a benefit.

How quickly were you expecting “a real positive change”? Surely you expected it to take a little more than seven weeks?

They could have done that instead of spending billions refurbishing the Houses of Parliament, which are no longer fit for purpose as a modern working building.

Build a big secure compound with accommodation, nasty public sector catering with no alcohol allowed like all other public buildings, replacement for the Houses of Commons and Lords, meeting rooms etc somewhere in the midlands near road and rail networks with everything provided.

Then make the Houses of Parliament safe and watertight and open up as a tourist attraction.

To be honest @BIossomtoes I was expecting them to tax the very rich, but it looks like they are not goong to do that. If the Labour Party won't, who will?

We won’t know what they’re planning until October.

it’s entirely disingenuous to align those pay awards with means testing a benefit

But don't you understand that people DO think this is what they've done? That's what I mean by a PR disaster. The two may have nothing to do with each other, but they are what people see and believe.It's all very well saying that people don't understand how it all works, but it seems insane to make it look like this.

No, but Ks doom and gloom speech didn't allude to anything like that. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll do it.

The last Tory government wrecked the country, repairing the damage is going to take time and money. Ending the strikes in the NHS and transport should start feeding through to the economy soon.

The rioters were right wing thugs, stirred up by right wing rhetoric and lies. They were right wing riots!

They won't.

No government is ever going to make the changes that are necessary if we want to see a real difference.

So we'll carry on flipping between the two main parties while nothing meaningful ever actually changes.

People want 'change,' but they mostly don't want that change to negatively affect them in any way, even if it is a short-term issue that would lead to long-term benefits for society.

Sadly, that's not how you get real change.

So we won't ever get real change.

No they are not what people see and believe. It is what they are told by repeatedly by right wing media outlets like GB News who've been pushing this line heavily.

Even the btl comments in the Guardian say the same thing. Of course its not GB news! I've never listened to gb news in my life.

It actually happened- they dipped the pensioners and paid the train drivers more in the same week. There's no right wing spin, it's literally what they did.

The two may not be linked but they both happened at the same time. Don't gaslight people by saying that didn't happen.

I wasn’t able to listen to the speech this morning- were there any clues as to what might be in store

I am a regular viewer of GBN, that's how I know they've been pushing this line. It's called Amplifying. They keep repeating it, people start talking about it irl. Even though it's not a real thing.

I never said the two things didn't happen at the same time.

None, other than avoiding working taxes, ie PAYE, NI and VAT. I’d be more than happy if CGT rates were aligned with income tax and the IHT thresholds were lowered. I’d be even happier if some of the loopholes were sewn up to cut down tax avoidance.

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Can't you understand that because the two things happened at the same time, people might think they are linked?? It's literally the world's most shit political PR.

It literally isn’t. Most people have the intelligence to understand they’re not linked. It wouldn’t have occurred to most people.

It's nothing to do with being 'intelligent', although I know people who slavishly follow one particular government think they are far more intelligent than people who question things - it's about PR. If you refuse to understand that I can't help you.

I think it's a bunch of pissed off men (and some women) who are tried of having no one listen to their concerns, not being able to feed their families, being told that if they complain they're racists, and being abused if being the cause of all of it.
i'm sure there are some thugs in there. There might even be a few far right wingers. But I think the majority are just fed up blue collar men.

They have been in power just a few weeks.
However they have had several years, since Starmer took over to analyse the problems.
The first thing they do is take some money away from pensioners. Maybe some of that is justified, but there were few explanations. Symbolically it was not a good event.

It's that kind of ignorance that's a good argument against democracy, but we are a fair country that even allows stupid people to vote.

I suggest you take a look at: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Do you also think that Labour are responsible for the atrocity in Southport and riots that followed?

This was a crazy misjudgement and is going to come back and bite them again and again

We're £3 trillion in debt and spent £110 billion on debt interest alone last year.

The model is broken and will only get worse. It doesn't matter who is in power.