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Reform voters should realise

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combinationpadlock · 06/07/2024 07:34

Any one of us could be a refugee by this time next year.

In 6 months, or 5 years, or 40 years or 150 years the UK population could be refugees in someone else's country.

Treat others as you want to be treated

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JustKeepSwimmingJust · 06/07/2024 11:14

SirChenjins · 06/07/2024 10:52

It’s more than just police and courts though - that’s just shutting the stable door long after the horse gone. There needs to be (just for starters) closer working with the EU border controls, a well structured foreign policy, a better resourced border agency, a plan for immigration set against improved employment forecasting, priority for UK citizens around housing, a crackdown on the black economy and zero hours contracts etc etc etc to stop it happening in the first place.

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it’s also setting the tone about rule of law and consequences if it’s broken. Which makes the U.K. less attractive to those who do want to break it frequently, and remaining within the law more normal behaviour

The lawless folk around here are primarily 4+ generations of living in this town. The immigrants seem to behave and work hard…

CatrionaBalfour · 06/07/2024 11:15

Two colleagues decided to collect food, clothes and other items and take it across to Calais for the migrants camping there. They were robbed at knifepoint of their money and phones. These are very brutal places with desperate people.

Rosie7475 · 06/07/2024 11:41

The vast majority are not interested in integration into our society or culture. Intolerance and hate of western values is rife.

I think generally speaking we are an incredibly tolerant nation. Welcoming, accepting, generous. Even to our own detriment.

But apparently if you voice any genuine concerns about the influx of people you're branded a racist.

My husband works with a British born Muslim man whose parents were immigrants. He has openly admitted that he cannot stand British culture or values and has no interest in integrating and doesn't believe in multiculturalism.

I'm not suggesting that all minority ethic people share this view, but I'm willing to bet that a huge amount do.

But again, white British people are the evil racists apparently.

equisetum · 06/07/2024 11:48

If you had nothing to hide, why come illegally?

Arafina · 06/07/2024 11:49

equisetum · 06/07/2024 10:54

We have been very welcoming to the ukranian refugees and others. Reform voters are not up in arms about this.
The people you see coming across in boats are a huge proportion of young males, who are disappearing into our country to work and live illegally. Is that right?
Some are trafficked straight into slave labour. Who will not be safe. Brought here with promises of a better life, only to find themselves in a new fresh hell under the gangs.Is that right?
Some will be linked to terrorist cells working amongst us. Does that make you/your children feel safe?

I have seen myself on an early morning walk, an abandoned dinghy, life jackets and water bottles. I've never been so scared on my life. Who was in that boat, why so determined to come across to a remote beach?

They are predominantly NOT refugees. Some, maybe. But if you choose to risk your life when the country across the water is not a war torn country, then what us your real motive?

It is the above which many reform voters are against,not genuine refugees who follow the correct and legal procedure.

I urge you to actually visit the coast. See for yourself what is happening. It is real and terrifying.

France may not be a war torn country but where the refugees are in Calais may as well be, they don't call it the "jungle" for nothing, children go missing from there on a regular basis, taken by criminal gangs being forced into god knows what, the people have their belongings taken from them by the police to try and make them move on, France may be a country but that part of it is far from safe, maybe you should go and visit and see what terrifying really means

FunIsland · 06/07/2024 11:49

Rosie7475 · 06/07/2024 11:41

The vast majority are not interested in integration into our society or culture. Intolerance and hate of western values is rife.

I think generally speaking we are an incredibly tolerant nation. Welcoming, accepting, generous. Even to our own detriment.

But apparently if you voice any genuine concerns about the influx of people you're branded a racist.

My husband works with a British born Muslim man whose parents were immigrants. He has openly admitted that he cannot stand British culture or values and has no interest in integrating and doesn't believe in multiculturalism.

I'm not suggesting that all minority ethic people share this view, but I'm willing to bet that a huge amount do.

But again, white British people are the evil racists apparently.

Your statement about ‘the vast majority’ seems to be based on a bloke your husband knows?

equisetum · 06/07/2024 11:50

FunIsland · 06/07/2024 11:49

Your statement about ‘the vast majority’ seems to be based on a bloke your husband knows?

Husband?

CatrionaBalfour · 06/07/2024 11:51

Arafina · 06/07/2024 11:49

France may not be a war torn country but where the refugees are in Calais may as well be, they don't call it the "jungle" for nothing, children go missing from there on a regular basis, taken by criminal gangs being forced into god knows what, the people have their belongings taken from them by the police to try and make them move on, France may be a country but that part of it is far from safe, maybe you should go and visit and see what terrifying really means

You're right, it's a jungle. See my post at 11.15.

equisetum · 06/07/2024 11:52

Arafina · 06/07/2024 11:49

France may not be a war torn country but where the refugees are in Calais may as well be, they don't call it the "jungle" for nothing, children go missing from there on a regular basis, taken by criminal gangs being forced into god knows what, the people have their belongings taken from them by the police to try and make them move on, France may be a country but that part of it is far from safe, maybe you should go and visit and see what terrifying really means

Look at the UK. Nowhere is safe anymore. Knife crimes are rife. Gangs, sexual assaults, muggings, murders. You name it. We are no different.

combinationpadlock · 06/07/2024 11:53

equisetum · 06/07/2024 11:48

If you had nothing to hide, why come illegally?

how would you suggest someone comes to the UK to apply for asylum?

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equisetum · 06/07/2024 11:54

combinationpadlock · 06/07/2024 11:53

how would you suggest someone comes to the UK to apply for asylum?

Not by arriving on a boat and disappearing is my point.

combinationpadlock · 06/07/2024 11:55

equisetum · 06/07/2024 11:54

Not by arriving on a boat and disappearing is my point.

How then?

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CatrionaBalfour · 06/07/2024 12:03

equisetum · 06/07/2024 11:52

Look at the UK. Nowhere is safe anymore. Knife crimes are rife. Gangs, sexual assaults, muggings, murders. You name it. We are no different.

There are many, many safe places! But you know that really.

equisetum · 06/07/2024 12:10

Same as in france then. But you know thar really.

CatrionaBalfour · 06/07/2024 12:14

equisetum · 06/07/2024 12:10

Same as in france then. But you know thar really.

I do indeed. So we both know European countries have safe, and unsafe places

FunIsland · 06/07/2024 12:19

equisetum · 06/07/2024 11:50

Husband?

My husband works with a British born Muslim man whose parents were immigrants

From the post I quoted

equisetum · 06/07/2024 12:29

Ah apologies. All this quoting can get a bit confusing!

DoingTheChaCha · 06/07/2024 12:30

combinationpadlock · 06/07/2024 07:39

what a ridiculous thing to say, "hoards" of British men have repeatedly boarded boats to illegally enter other people's countries and raped, attacked and killed people, throughout history and up to the present day.

This is thread is about being a refugee.

Wow! Can you give examples of this including up to the present date?

The usual self hating, self flagellating, turkeys voting for Christmas, loony lefty attitude, which should not be left unchallenged considering the state of this country now and people like you having contributed greatly to that.

Beautiful3 · 06/07/2024 12:31

CatrionaBalfour · 06/07/2024 10:35

Did you vote Reform, @Beautiful3 because of your migration concerns, or was it other factors?

The highest factor was to keep women in safe spaces.

CatrionaBalfour · 06/07/2024 12:33

Beautiful3 · 06/07/2024 12:31

The highest factor was to keep women in safe spaces.

So it's to do with gender issues?

Beautiful3 · 06/07/2024 12:34

CatrionaBalfour · 06/07/2024 12:33

So it's to do with gender issues?

Yes.

CatrionaBalfour · 06/07/2024 12:35

Beautiful3 · 06/07/2024 12:34

Yes.

What's the Reform Party stance?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/07/2024 12:41

People like you make me feel sorry I didn’t vote Reform.

In your fairy tale book immigrants all good, noble and hardworking, everyone else, apart from a bloodthirsty ignorant.

Grow up. The world around you is more complex than the way you see it.

Rosie7475 · 06/07/2024 13:16

@FunIsland

Except it isn't 'one bloke' is it? And you know it.

Let me ask you, if Labour introduced really tough measures to curb immigration, how would you feel? Secretly pleased or outraged?

BarHumbugs · 06/07/2024 13:17

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 06/07/2024 09:31

And the UK is safe for undocumented children? Undocumented women? Or even men?

What do you suggest, anyone in any part of the world should have the right to live and work here? The right to our social security?

I would hope we could make it safe by providing safe routes and an efficient asylum process which is what I'd suggest. Once they are processed they do have the right to work here, the problem is it takes years and we don't allow them to work and contribute in that time. Obviously, anyone who has paid into our social security system should have the right to use it.