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If labour wins the next GE are they likely to overturn the ban on puberty blockers and disregard the Cass Report?

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5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 13:14

I want to vote for them but I'm so scared they will jump straight on the bandwagon and risk our kids safety. And women's.

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valensiwalensi · 21/04/2024 19:38

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2024 18:31

Intersectional feminism is supposed to be inclusive of ethnic minority women, same sex attracted women, disabled women, immigrant women, homeless women, women who are victims of male violence.

These are the women who are most severely affected by the loss of single sex spaces.

It was never supposed to be inclusive of male people.

That’s your opinion which you are obviously entitled to have.

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 19:45

valensiwalensi · 21/04/2024 19:38

That’s your opinion which you are obviously entitled to have.

Why would feminism include men? Surely that's not 'fem'inism?

valensiwalensi · 21/04/2024 19:51

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 19:45

Why would feminism include men? Surely that's not 'fem'inism?

That wouldn’t apply if you believed TWAW obviously.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2024 19:52

valensiwalensi · 21/04/2024 19:38

That’s your opinion which you are obviously entitled to have.

I seem to remember that you made the same response to someone else explaining that sex is binary.

Not all opinions are equal.

Some are sensible. Some are batshit. Some are informed. Some are unsubstantiated. Some are not opinions at all, but facts.

Viewfrommyhouse · 21/04/2024 19:53

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 19:45

Why would feminism include men? Surely that's not 'fem'inism?

Indeed. FEMinism is for FEMales. Males can be allies, but they're shouldn't be centered.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2024 19:53

valensiwalensi · 21/04/2024 19:51

That wouldn’t apply if you believed TWAW obviously.

Nobody believes this. Not even the people saying it believe it.

5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 19:58

valensiwalensi · 21/04/2024 19:38

That’s your opinion which you are obviously entitled to have.

Genuinely curious?

Am I entitled to the belief that humans are actually alien beings left here as a science experiment and I am actually an alien on earth.

You might be able to test my DNA and see that it's human but it doesn't matter because it's what I believe and identify as that counts.

So everyone has to respect my belief and refer to me as a displaced alien from zargon instead of a human and if you don't you're actually being really mean and alien phobic?

Or would you tell me to get a grip and go see a psychiatrist?

Because it seems like whatever FACTS people are hitting you with you're coming back with entitlement and beliefs.

So how far does that go with you?

Where do you draw the line between reality and belief?

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lifeturnsonadime · 21/04/2024 20:09

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2024 19:53

Nobody believes this. Not even the people saying it believe it.

This.

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 20:30

valensiwalensi · 21/04/2024 19:51

That wouldn’t apply if you believed TWAW obviously.

It would. Because they're still men. And anybody believing that is deluded at best.

theworldie · 21/04/2024 20:37

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 16:54

I've messaged you my emails with MNHQ.

There are people amongst us who bloody report anything and everything. It's amazing how deletions follow certain posters around. 🤔

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Thanks NoWordForFluffy

About as clear as mud then😂

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 20:39

theworldie · 21/04/2024 20:37

Thanks NoWordForFluffy

About as clear as mud then😂

I think they're clutching at straws somewhat!

CommentNow · 03/05/2024 10:23

I don't think they will.

The Cass report and recent Tory guidance to NHS & schools means that Labour would have to actively declare it as a manifesto priority or reopen the whole debate to turn it over when, tbf to the Tories, they have done the hard thing and take an active position to set clear guidance on an issue noone likes to talk about.

Easier to slide into Government and talk about dealing with the big issues like the economy, nhs, trade and climate which everyone wants to see improve (albeit may have different ideas on the what and how to do it) rather than reopening a contentious but somewhat settled (for now) debate.

A lot of people on mumsnet have talked about GC views being a deabreaker for them voting-wise and I'm sure political advisers look at stuff like this and give some weight to it. Tactically, I think Tories would have been better to wait until the GE and made it a manifesto commitment as people vote for certainty. Now we know their position, there is no added incentive to vote for them (as long as Labour don't come out and say they will make controversial changes like making Gender a protected characteristic and revoking Sex).

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