If labour wins the next GE are they likely to overturn the ban on puberty blockers and disregard the Cass Report?

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I want to vote for them but I'm so scared they will jump straight on the bandwagon and risk our kids safety. And women's.

@5GreenLeaves

"I also said 'noone should never be subject to violence or feel unsafe using the toilet' but you'll ignore that part..."

No, I'm not ignoring anything. Twice now you've used violent descriptive language so it wasn't a mistake or error of judgment. I would be disturbed to hear affirmative views on "battering" people or "turfing them out on their arse" pouring from the mouths of tiny children so your diminuitive size is irrelevant.

Don't trust Labour

But

Medical insurance and liability is deeply affected by Cass and this won't change with a new government.

I'm not getting in a debate with those of a GC perspective.

There's no point as there's a more or less binary divergence of view.

They will look at what is likely to get the most votes and do that.

It's quite ironic that until Johnson poisoned the well in 2019 reform of the process for obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate was broadly a matter of consensus across all the main parties.

Until Labour are able to give an unequivocal message about the rights of children to grow up without being pressured into gender conformity and medicalisation, I can’t see it being a safe vote. There are plenty of people trying to undermine the Cass report and claiming it’s invalid.
Until they give an unequivocal message about women’s rights to single sex spaces being prioritised above a man’s right to affirmation, it’s not a safe vote. There are plenty of people wanting men accepted as women for some purposes.
Until labour give unequivocal messages about prisons, toilets, NHS and every other bloody battle line, it’s not safe.

I do - but only in gay clubs and they NEVER said they were women

Even Eddie Izzard never used to say he was a woman. Yet now he feels emboldened to use female toilets just because, what, he wants to?

This is what self ID does. It gives men an open invitation and leaves women with no protections.

There is no self ID but this stuff happens, mostly below the radar. That's my point.

This.

EI used to be my favourite comedian. I watched Dressed To Kill countless times.

I admired his honesty greatly and the fact he openly said he was a transvestite and that he didn't wear women's clothes, he wore his clothes. I agree with all of that and would happily be great friends with any person with a similar attitude and appearance.
But then he started calling himself a woman because of the movement.

He let go of his own beliefs and convictions and got pulled into something problematic and lost mine and alot of other women's respect and support.

We needed more people to be like Eddie not Suzie.

There is no self ID but this stuff happens, mostly below the radar. That's my point.

A man with a GRC is considered legally a woman. But no one is allowed to ask if he has a GRC. Therefore, a man exposing himself in a female changing area is protected by self ID.

Wes Streeting has given a statement on official Labour position, in his role as shadow health Secretary:

"My response for @UKLabour underlining our support for the Cass Review’s evidence-led recommendations and our determination to put children’s health and wellbeing above the political fray"

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1777835770184634751

I don't think there is any danger at all of them reversing the decision on puberty blockers.

That’s not feminism then is it?

Not a goady question but what are the Tories doing (or what have they done) to make you assured of their support for your views. So far as I can see, just about everything relating to the issue has happened under their governance, which is now 15 years. They've also had four PMs during that time (which is probably a record for a UK Government) so they haven't been shackled to one ideology. That's a very long time and a lot of PMs, as well as cabinet reshuffles, but they don't appear to have materially addressed anything.

It's just dishonest to pretend that a) the numbers of men pretending to be women and using women's facilities is the same now as it was 40 years ago and b) that men 'transitioning' in 2024 actually make anything like the effort to change their bodies or present as feminine in any way as they did 40 years ago. (Not that it changes the issue, but it's apples and oranges)

Why would you include men in feminism?

According to YOU.

@PineappleTime and 3) men now have the opportunity to use women and children as props for their fetishes

We did not consent to this.

@ginasevern off the top of my head, two recent prime ministers have been able to define woman, the baroness has led discussions in the HoL and Kemi Badenoch gave a great speech clarifying the protected characteristics in EDI and the responsibility of schools to provide services accordingly.

I’m neither political nor attentive, but labour have done sod all but equivocate. Wes Streeting was lack lustre in the recent discussion of the cass report, I think it was.

Because I can believe what I want?

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Just like men can believe they're women but reality says otherwise.

Feminism does not prioritise men.

Out of curiosity,

How many men dressed like this 40 years ago?

My feminism is intersectional thank you.

i didn’t come here to discuss that though.

@valensiwalensi thank you for being prepared to listen to the Cass report, at least.

Can I ask, do you think transmen share all the qualities of men and so can be treated just as men are?

I’m trying to understand why you would include transwomen in feminism when they have little in common with women.

Not at grass roots level, I think. Some women and a handful of men were trying to get senior people in all parties to listen to their concerns and they were being ignored (at best). I've been paying attention to this issue for the best part of ten years and the concerns about the huge and very sudden rise in the numbers of children being referred to GIDS and to gender clinics in other countries were already building. It was already clear there was very poor research evidence for any benefit from gender-confused children taking puberty blockers, and there was emerging evidence that there were many ways in which it was harming their health. When clinicians, researchers and concerned parents, teachers and youth workers around the world tried to raise the alarm about the very sudden rise in teenage girls presenting with gender dysphoria, which used to be vanishingly rare, they were labelled as bigots and right-wing Christian fundamentalists, which in most cases was obvious nonsense.

The Labour Party has been amongst the worst offenders at ignoring these concerns. They have lost my trust. I won't vote Tory, but I'm not at all sure I can vote Labour without very strong assurances that they won't go ahead with gender self-ID and they will tighten considerably the safeguards around NHS and private treatment for gender issues.