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Trump Trial Time - banish all memories of Mueller.

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Spandauer · 19/04/2024 16:29

Is this #132?
Still trying to rid the world of this troublesome twat.

Old thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4912378-trump-gets-gagged-mccarthy-gets-booted-whats-next-in-trumpworld

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Spandauer · 25/04/2024 16:12

AcrossthePond55 · 25/04/2024 15:39

OK, put on your tin foil hats, y'all, it's Deep State Time. Could all this moving us around & ending up in 'politics' be a plot to keep us out of a very popular/oft visited topic (AIBU)? 🤨 I mean, IIRC we've been in AIBU since 2015. I smell CENSORSHIP!!! And CONSPIRACY!!!

(Yes, that's sarcasm) Sorta. Honestly though, I don't think MN should move any thread until they've contacted the 'thread starter' to allow them to lodge an objection or select the new topic themselves.

Doesn't Chat auto-delete in 30 days? We definitely do NOT want to end up there!! These threads are a historical document!

I asked for it to be moved back to AIBU or to Chat (which I believe doesn't self-combust anymore?) and got this reply from MN HQ.

So we've been moved on the whim of a new poster who popped up to tell me off and then disappeared. Hasn't bothered to contribute anything of worth to our discussions. Not even a blooming' meme!

Hey ho!

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AcrossthePond55 · 25/04/2024 16:23

@Spandauer

Well, that's bullshit!!!!

Wonder if it's because it's about American politics rather than UK politics so they consider it 'niche'. I'm not saying the Sunak threads should be moved to Politics, but that's the only 'difference' that I can see between the two.

Spandauer · 25/04/2024 16:28

Former National Enquirer publisher David Pecker resuming his testimony today.

Before Pecker began, prosecutors again asked the court to hold Trump in contempt of a gag order, citing additional statements he made the past two days.

Judge hasn't ruled on gag order yet. Not sure if he's indicated when he will. Seems like it will be a "paltry" fine for each offence though - Trump most unlikely to be detained or deterred!

Meanwhile the Supreme Court is hearing oral arguments over the unprecedented question of whether Donald Trump is immune from prosecution for actions taken while in office to try to retain power after losing the 2020 election.


The high court’s decision will determine whether and how quickly the former president faces trial in Washington on charges of election interference — and shape presidential power and accountability for future officeholders.


The justices are reviewing a unanimous lower court ruling that said Trump could be prosecuted for his alleged efforts to overturn the election he lost to Joe Biden.


Trump’s pretrial proceedings in Washington remain on hold until a ruling is issued, giving the justices a direct role in influencing the timing of the election-interference trial for the presumptive Republican presidential nominee in this year’s election. (From WaPo)

All they need to do is keep kicking the can down the road and there will be no time for a trial to begin before the election in November. Even if they do eventually rule he is not immune their timetable for deciding is up to them. So Trump is helped by their delaying tactics and is banking on getting charges dropped if he gets back in.

(I will now wash my mouth out with soap and water for even saying/writing those words 🤮)

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DuncinToffee · 25/04/2024 16:29

The same happens to many of the Brexit threads, some posters can't cope with them being visible.

I think you can put topics on mute or ignore or something

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/04/2024 16:58

Spandauer · 25/04/2024 16:12

I asked for it to be moved back to AIBU or to Chat (which I believe doesn't self-combust anymore?) and got this reply from MN HQ.

So we've been moved on the whim of a new poster who popped up to tell me off and then disappeared. Hasn't bothered to contribute anything of worth to our discussions. Not even a blooming' meme!

Hey ho!

I got

"Thanks for getting in touch. We're going to leave things as they are for the moment. Posters will see the thread in Active if there's an interest in the subject - and we think that politics is the right topic for these threads."

Spandauer · 25/04/2024 16:59

Sorry! For above post which is nothing to do with this thread. Apols if anyone is upset by the link.

I was just horrified that yet another rich old man is on his way to buying (multiple lawyers) his way out of a conviction.

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Spandauer · 25/04/2024 17:05

Back to business.

Prosecution presses David Pecker on election law

During questioning of former National Enquirer publisher David Pecker, the prosecution drilled down on the alleged election-law violation at the heart of their case.


Assistant District Attorney Joshua Steinglass asked Pecker whether he knew when his company paid $150,000 in hush money to a former Playboy model that payments made for the purposes of influencing an election — in coordination with a campaign — were illegal. Pecker said he did.


Steinglass asked whether Pecker’s company, American Media Inc., ever reported to the Federal Election Commission the payment to Karen McDougal, who claimed to have had an affair with Donald Trump. “No, we did not,” Pecker responded.


The prosecutor pressed Pecker about why they purchased the story in the first place.
“We didn’t want the story to embarrass Mr. Trump or hurt the campaign,” Pecker testified.


Steinglass asked who he meant by “we.” Pecker said he meant himself and Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen.

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BruceAndNosh · 25/04/2024 17:28

The Supreme Court seem to be wavering Trumps way re immunity judging that their discussions. What a fucking surprise

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2024 17:48

https://x.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1783528749117366487

Trump LOSES his bid for a new trial or a judgment overturning the more than $80 million verdict for E. Jean Carroll in the second trial.

Note:

Trump's appeal before the Second Circuit in the E. Jean Carroll litigation remains pending.

This ruling, marking the latest setback in his effort to overturn it, is from the trial court.

BruceAndNosh · 25/04/2024 18:02

From the Guardian...
Conservative justice Brett Kavanaugh, one of three Donald Trump appointees on the bench, is asking Michael Breeden if a president could be prosecuted for making false statements.

Imagine ! the entire US legal system would grind to a halt as every court in the land was dealing with "Trump lied" cases!

SerendipityJane · 25/04/2024 18:18

BruceAndNosh · 25/04/2024 18:02

From the Guardian...
Conservative justice Brett Kavanaugh, one of three Donald Trump appointees on the bench, is asking Michael Breeden if a president could be prosecuted for making false statements.

Imagine ! the entire US legal system would grind to a halt as every court in the land was dealing with "Trump lied" cases!

Didn't Ronald Reagan get into trouble and have to apologise for making a false statement (albeit unknowingly) ?

Should have moved to the UK where it's an everyday occurrence. In fact I suspect it's illegal to tell the truth here.

Spandauer · 25/04/2024 19:26

Immunity Case going poof?

(From WaPo)
Thursday’s argument suggests Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. will be in a familiar role — the swing vote in a 5-4 decision.


“The chief justice was very coy during the oral argument,” said Steve Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas at Austin. “I think it became pretty apparent pretty quickly to everyone, including his colleagues, that he is the median vote in this case.”


Justice Amy Coney Barrett can also be hard to read. But she elicited what Vladeck referred to as the “most important moment in the whole argument” — when Donald Trump’s attorney, John Sauer, conceded that some of the former president’s actions around Jan. 6 would not count as “official” acts.


But, he said, “Even if this ends up with a 5-to-4 decision allowing the January 6 prosecution to go forward at least in part, it’s pretty remarkable that it would be that close.

And even that decision could come slowly enough, and with enough work left to be done, that it makes it impossible for Trump to go on trial before the election.”


Mike Davis, a former Neil M. Gorsuch clerk and Trump ally, made a similar prediction, saying in a statement the case will probably be sent back to the trial judge, Tanya S. Chutkan.


“The case will not get tried before the election,” he wrote. “This will be a historic win for President Trump — and the presidency and our country.”


That said, a trial before the election is still possible if the court rules quickly and articulates a test for what conduct is and isn’t subject to prosecution that Chutkan is able to follow. “If Chutkan is just following the instructions she got from the Supreme Court,” five justices might not agree to keep the case on hold any longer, Vladeck said.

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BruceAndNosh · 25/04/2024 20:11

Doesn't matter what Supreme Court decide if it's going to take them another 2 months to issue a decision. There was no good reason to take 2 months to schedule this hearing, apart from to delay

AcrossthePond55 · 26/04/2024 00:32

@Spandauer

No worries about the Weinstein link. It's all much of a muchness, isn't it? Rich old men getting away with, if not actual murder, at least the destruction of the wellbeing of other human beings.

Between the Weinstein crap and the possibility of SCOTUS ruling for Trump on immunity this is NOT a good day.

Personally, I think if the SCOTUS delays the ruling until after the election it will be with the express intent of voting FOR presidential immunity if Trump wins and AGAINST it if Biden wins.

MsAmerica · 26/04/2024 01:47

Spandauer · 24/04/2024 08:20

I guess I get what you're saying but in explanation, these Trump threads started back in 2015/2016 when he first announced his intention to run for president and the first thread would have been titled something along the lines of "Is he fit to be president/run the world?" I honestly can't remember anymore! (My hazy memory is that it was started by a MNetter called GingerIvy)

IIRC at that time Chat threads only lasted for 30 days...so here they lie... AIBU?

Yes, @Spandauer, but to me that also illustrates the silliness of forums like a 30-day category. Who know how long a story will last? No one expected the Ukrainian war to last this long.

Sorry, but I've always thought that the categories and the layout could benefit from a re-vamp.

I'm impressed by your memory, though!

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 26/04/2024 12:50

These people are so vile. I don't understand how they got where they are today..

BruceAndNosh · 26/04/2024 13:14

The lack of Trump supporters outside the Court is interesting. And despite what Trump says, they aren't being kept away from the area by police.

I wonder how much Melania is demanding Trump pay her to turn up in the court?

AcrossthePond55 · 26/04/2024 13:38

BruceAndNosh · 26/04/2024 13:14

The lack of Trump supporters outside the Court is interesting. And despite what Trump says, they aren't being kept away from the area by police.

I wonder how much Melania is demanding Trump pay her to turn up in the court?

Simple minds are easily bored. And I kinda think that applies in both situations.

Whatever she's demanding must be too much for him to pay. I don't think she's attended a single one of his court appearances in any of his cases.

I'm sure money is involved but I have a feeling whatever they've negotiated is based on "You leave Barron and me to ourselves and I'll stay in this marriage. Otherwise I leave and spill ALL the beans, the money be damned". I have a feeling that should she be so inclined she could write a helluva tell all book for a hefty figure.

Spandauer · 26/04/2024 13:50

Following on from the "attractive" details about potential VP Kristi Noem, here are the other potential riders in the Trump VP race.
(Personally, I'd like to see them all sent to the knacker's gravel pit yard.)

Trump is due to pick his running mate at the GOP convention in July, when the Republican dastardly duo will be formally nominated.

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Spandauer · 26/04/2024 14:44

BruceAndNosh · 26/04/2024 13:14

The lack of Trump supporters outside the Court is interesting. And despite what Trump says, they aren't being kept away from the area by police.

I wonder how much Melania is demanding Trump pay her to turn up in the court?

Today's mega maga crowd.

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BruceAndNosh · 26/04/2024 16:03

Yesterday Trump addressed the media as he left the courtroom, describing Pecker’s testimony as “breathtaking and amazing” (per The Guardian)
Excellent gaslighting since all news media seem to think Pecker's testimony was bad for Trump

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 26/04/2024 16:10

BruceAndNosh · 26/04/2024 16:03

Yesterday Trump addressed the media as he left the courtroom, describing Pecker’s testimony as “breathtaking and amazing” (per The Guardian)
Excellent gaslighting since all news media seem to think Pecker's testimony was bad for Trump

Oh, I think Pecker probably has pictures of where the bodies are buried, and Trump is terrified of offending him.