Trump Trial Time - banish all memories of Mueller.

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Is this #132?
Still trying to rid the world of this troublesome twat.

Old thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4912378-trump-gets-gagged-mccarthy-gets-booted-whats-next-in-trumpworld

The Founding Fathers will be wondering what the point was.

I must say, as a Brit still under the tyranny of the unelected Monarchy yanks fought a war over, I'm seriously impressed they managed to not only reverse it, but take it back to about 1214. Nice one Supremes. Now the UK has an eastern and a western despot to deal with. This is most certainly not the balance I was thinking off.

I guess Bidens last act is to assassinate SCOTUS and replace with his own. Since he is now immune.

Found elsewhere.

A trial that I believe is still quote in cases today.

Incidentally it was taken to the colonies.

To be honest, I have no idea of the history behind it, I just liked the parallel with Trump. I barely got further than the Hundred Years' War in history, as my Catholic school disdained anything after the Reformation, presumably fearing we'd be corrupted if we learnt there were alternative religions (this was 50 years ago).

Any chance Hurricane Beryl can make landfall over Mar a Lago and bury Trump under a chandelier?

Still out in the woods with spotty internet.

I'm trying to digest the decision. I can see the 'limited immunity' argument as you don't want a POTUS hands completely tied, but the fact that they've apparently put the weaponizing of the DOJ against a POTUS' (any POTUS) in the 'presidential immunity' bucket is abhorrent!

As far as actual crimes like murder or, say, bank robbery or rape, that's still untested grounds. Case law on that still has to be decided.

Judge Merchan has postponed sentencing until September.
Teflon Don is going to get away with it, isn't he?
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I just can't.

My ds thinks it could work better as closer to election - an October Surprise

I'm hoping he gets a 60 day sentence. But there's no chance that any custodial sentence will have him incarcerated on Election Day.

In fact, I'd say that this postponement means two things:

The recent SCOTUS decision may have an impact on the conviction since Trump's team has already said they're going to use it to appeal the verdict and/or there will be no custodial sentence.

To all my British comrades

I'm assuming the switch from Tory to Liberal is a good thing? Sort of like going from GOP to Dem would be here?

@AcrossthePond55 - you'll get different opinions even here, I should imagine. Personally, I'm really pleased that Labour (the Liberal Democrats are seen as the third party in England and they have done very well in this election) had a landslide win and that Keir Starmer is the new Prime Minister. I thought his first speech outside Number 10 was measured, calm and positive and whatever the opposite of divisive is, and I hope he can carry out the difficult job he has ahead of him after 14 years of Tory austerity and in-fighting.
To the best of my understanding, I believe both the Labour and Conservative parties are further to the left of centre than either the Republicans or the Democrats, although the "centre" has moved over the past couple of decades as much of the world is moving to the right. My huge worry after this election is that Trump's great pal, Nigel Farage, the engineer of Brexit, and probably of the eventual demise of the Tory party (by splitting the vote on the right), has not only been elected an MP, but that his Reform party got a huge proportion of the vote, and as with Brexit, the media will let him have free rein to spout his nonsense with nobody arguing against him, in the interest of "balance".
But this is just my opinion, and I haven't lived in the UK for over 30 years, but I did get to vote as an ex-pat for the first time for years, so am a happy person today!

Yes but with the addition of being a bit like having the president, house and senate all being Dem. The upper house isn’t elected and while the Tories have more lords they don’t have an outright majority so Starmer shouldn’t have too much trouble getting legislation through them.

Economically the Tories are similar to the GOP but socially they traditionally span a spectrum that would cover GOP to Dem. Economically labour is similar to the Dems policy wise but socially to the left of them but whose conservative end overlaps with the liberal end of the Tories.

Both parties are made up of interesting factions whose views aren’t necessarily aligned with the rest of their party on various issues.

So, Farage now has a seat in the Commons? Isn't that a bit like Trump being elected a Senator? Is this the first time Farage has held a major elective office?

Hopefully with the new Labour majority, he and his party won't be able to do much damage. Is there a chance of Reform and Tories (and any other right leaning parties) forming some sort of coalition to work together to defeat Labour's plans or is the Lab majority number 'proof' against that?

Thanks to all above posters for the UK politics lesson. I appreciate it. I have a general grasp of how parliament works and how a PM is chosen, but as with any country's politics the 'finer points' are generally only truly known to its citizenry/voters.

Farage can't do much as an MP of a minority party. He can only ask a question at PMQs (once a week) if the speaker allows him to, and Reform has only 5 seats out of 650, so can't affect much via votes.
He will have to put his business interests on public record (a transparency and anti-lobbying measure) which should be interesting reading.
There are a lot of rules and conventions around conduct in the house, and I think Farage will find himself on the wrong side of these regularly, for which the speaker can sanction or even bar him from the commons for short periods.

Clarification: he can only ask a PMQs question once the opposition have asked theirs, and the Lib Dems are entitled to a couple of questions a week.
Minority parties and independents may be allowed a question if there's time after that, at the speaker's discretion.
Given his lack of diligence in the European Parliament I doubt he'll join any sub-committees so the most we'll hear from him week to week will be as a voice among many braying from the opposition back benches.

He will have to put his business interests on public record (a transparency and anti-lobbying measure) which should be interesting reading

Yes, very interesting!

There are a lot of rules and conventions around conduct in the house, and I think Farage will find himself on the wrong side of these regularly, for which the speaker can sanction or even bar him from the commons for short periods.

A tactic of which he will surely avail himself in order to complain about being bullied and silenced.
He really is the most odious person, I pity his poor constituents. He won’t lift a hand for them.

I’d forgotten how funny Farage and Tice having to be open about their finances is going to be.

Anything Starmer wants to get through the House of Commons (the lower house) just needs more people to vote for it than against. 410 out of (slightly fewer than 650) seats will allow a fairly huge margin for Labour MPs abstaining if Starmer puts through something they don’t like. Especially if any given bill has the support of the greens and Lib Dems too. There’s not much that reform and the Tories can do against a majority of this size.

And don’t forget that not all of the opposition is to the right of the party. Greens and Lib Dems together make up a significant proportion. They aren’t likely to be going into any alliance with the Tories and Reform against Labour.

We’ve somehow managed to make a multi party parliament from a system that is normally close to a 2 party one.

A tactic of which he will surely avail himself in order to complain about being bullied and silenced.

Yes, I'm expecting this too. Break the rules, act the victim. A familiar tactic!

All of this.

Nigel Farage becoming an MP is more like Trump becoming a member of the House of Representatives, I think. Though the Commons has the final say, and, unlike the Senate, the House of Lords can’t overrule the Government, they can only suggest amendments and cause delay. Ultimately the Government can reject the proposed amendments.

Usually, the ‘checks and balances’ provided by the House of Lords works well and amendments are given proper consideration

There won’t be a coalition between Farage’s Reform and the Tory Party. This has been suggested by Tories on the right of the party, but it would never be accepted by the ‘One Nation’ Tories on the left. I think the party would be likely to split in such a scenario. It is possible that more Tories will defect to Reform, though.

With Farage only winning 5 seats, though, I think it much less likely that the Tory Party will link with Reform. They have enough MPs (121, I think) to be a workable opposition on their own. Though nobody knows what direction they will go in, whether to the right or the centre ground. They’re in disarray right now.

As far as Farage and 'financial transparency', unless your Govt has more teeth than ours does good luck with that.

Trump was supposed to release ALL his financials and put ALL his businesses in a blind trust. He did neither. And all that seemed to happen was a general flapping of hands with exclamations of "Oh dearie me!!"

Really happy and relieved Labour has won. Unlike a lot of people, I like Starmer. I think he's a nice, steady pair of hands with a genuine desire to improve things. I like that he's a bit dull and serious minded. Unfortunately, the country is in such a state, it's going to be a very, very difficult road to success.

As a lucky citizen of both failing democracies 😕, I'd say that unfortunately the UK govt doesn't have any more teeth these days than the US when it comes to transparency and financial accounting. In general they are very fond of costly and time-consuming hearings that result in absolutely nothing happening and have been just as wilfully blind to Russian manipulation/finances as the US. I'm extremely worried not only about Farage having been given this microphone but about the number of people who support him.

One thing that's very different here is how easily the press/media can be shut down by people with wealth. They can go to court for injunctions to prevent the press from reporting on things and superinjunctions to prevent the press from reporting that there's an injunction. It's also not only easier to sue journalists and media outlets here, the loser of a case is liable for the winner's costs. All of which dampens a completely free press.

Two examples of people using the English courts to suppress information:

https://fom.coe.int/en/alerte/detail/107637138

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carole_Cadwalladr#:~:text=The%20Court%20ordered%20that%20damages,than%20%C2%A31m%20in%20costs.

Yes, @Wallaw . I am also flabbergasted by the concept of D Notices. Never lived anywhere else this could be possible, although I suspect more goes on behind the scenes than we realise

But although I was a strong Labour supporter this election, credit all around - especially to Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt - for the graciousness and civility with which power was transferred. That’s quite a contrast with the American scene right now