Or have Labour totally lost the plot wrt women’s rights?

[Lion400]

Does Starmer really underestimate women this much??

‘Would you vote for a party that promised to let men parade around bollock-naked in women’s changing rooms?

Or a party that was alarmingly blasé about gay kids being ‘corrected’ with drugs and surgery?

Or a party that threatened to clamp down on thoughtcriminals who refer to people with penises and testicles – you know, men – as men?

If not, then don’t vote Labour in the upcoming General Election. Because it’s possible it will pursue all of these petty tyrannical policies’

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/13/tyranny-in-drag/

It's not necessarily GC women but the debate is emboldening far right homophobes who love a bit of violence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/25/whats-behind-the-terrifying-backlash-against-australias-queer-community

https://honisoit.com/2023/03/queer-rights-protesters-attacked-by-far-right-hate-group/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/28/anti-trans-video-los-angeles-protest-wi-spa

There is also violence against GC women too, obviously.

Male violence is the problem, but that male violence is being directed at activists from both sides and its not right to claim the GC side are the only victims.

Quite. I’d never heard that quote. It really is as true today as it was then. Who would have thought we would need to be fighting for this so many years later. They knew how to use the word ‘sex’ in those days, rather than ‘gender’.

No, the situation is not equivalent, no matter how much you might like it to be.

GC women are not perpetrators of violence and are not aggressively making threats to denounce people and take away their livelihoods. Any far right or homophobic groups are not in any way associated with GC women.

There are trans rights activists who are being violent and pursuing an aggressive agenda to intimidate and silence women so they shut up and let their rights be taken away, though.

It’s odd to me that posters mock / belittle or attack women speaking up but it really is worth it. For me and my dd, but also all children given where the ideology has taken us with harm.

Tg on the puberty blocker decision, it takes a lot but each small step is something

I think only a few countries Denmark and so on have done the same

Timing this around is not easy, but worth it

Yes to this

Absolutely. Everyone knows this it’s just some don’t like to admit it, it doesn’t suit the narrative. That or cognitive dissonance. Or misogyny. Or a mixture of all of the above.

‘Male violence is the problem’

Let’s be honest. No one is going to change the way they vote because of comments on here. They must think we’re stupid if they think they can influence posters to that extent. Most people don’t agree 100% with the policies of the party they vote for but they are pragmatic and can see the bigger picture. I have issues with gender ideology but also recognise that the Tory stance isn’t coming from a position of integrity, it’s just blatant vote chasing. Look at the wider picture aka policies in action/record and they don’t give a jot about most women, particularly poor ones.
Anyway cannot be bothered to give this thread any more attention.
That the OP posted a thread like this days after the misogynistic and racist clap trap spewed by a Tory donor and barely criticised by Tory politicians tells me he/she doesn’t care about women either…

Whoah, you think I’m not being civil? Not my intention. Just pointing out that there has been a plethora of information and reports backing up what I’m saying over the years.

If you’re not aware of them, you’re not going to be able to contribute meaningfully to the conversation, so it would be a help to you to get up the speed on what’s been going on if you do want to be part of the discussion. To clarify, this is not an attempt to be rude to you, it is just a fact that to play a useful and credible part in any discussion we need to be informed about what we’re talking about.

@Grapesarenottheonlyfruit ‘That the OP posted a thread like this days after the misogynistic and racist clap trap spewed by a Tory donor and barely criticised by Tory politicians tells me he/she doesn’t care about women either…’

In which case your comprehension and logical thinking facilities require some work.

Thank goddess the derailleurs are going I'd like to have a proper conversation.

I Think that the Tories are not only say that they support safeguarding vulnerable children. They are also doing the right things. Puberty blockers not on the NHS anymore.
im interested in seeing what happens to Liz Trusses bill which will help protect women.
im extremely interested in seeing what Labour do with it. It will show us what they intend doing with women's rights if they get into power.
we'll see which side of his mouth Keir is talking.

Out of interest, @NoWordForFluffy, who will you be voting for?

@Lion400 you’re obsessed. How many threads on trans people have you posted recently ?

Dunno. We usually only get the 4 main parties here, so nobody at the moment. I have said this over and over and over again on these threads (including up thread).

I've never not voted in a GE, so I'm really annoyed that Labour can't just show a backbone and bring clarity to this issue. If they back Liz Truss' EA amendment, that would go a very long way towards helping. Let's see!

The Labour canvassers nigh on ran away from me when I brought this issue up on the doorstep the other week!

They’ve probably been briefed not to talk about it. So they can say no one’s talking about it.

Absolutely none. I have posted about women’s sex-based rights a few times.

I did comment that Keir saying nobody was talking about it wasn't true as here I was doing just that!

Our CLP are very TWAW though. Our local, Labour-led, council had a vote and passed a motion that TWAW and TMAM.

Yes!!

Thank you for answering.

I'm not happy with Labour's stance on this issue either, but as far as I can see, there is no viable left leaning party that I can vote for which offers a good alternative. So the way I see it, I have no option but to hold my nose and vote for them anyway.

I do think this issue is important but I honestly can't fathom the idea that this single issue is somehow so overwhelmingly important that it should be allowed to eclipse the many other incredibly pressing issues that are facing our country right now. What good will it do us to know what a woman is if everything else is falling apart around us? I just don't understand it.

Yes, they’re terrified of it. I told the ones that knocked on me to make sure they reported back that I had raised it, so the lie that nobody raises it could be squashed once and for all.

The ones I spoke to were like rabbits in the headlights. The best they could do was to bleat uncomfortably about the local party being different to the national, the candidate not agreeing with self-ID etc. When asked why the candidate hadn’t been clear about that themselves and gone on the record, then, they had no answer.

Really? You want to hold GC women responsible for the behaviour of violent men piggy backing on their campaign?

Women should shut up because of the behaviour of men - where have I heard that before?

The problem is, once you get rid of what a woman is, all of the other things which are concerning are affected by it.

Woman who's experienced DV? No guarantee of a women-only refuge. Raped? No guarantee of women-only groups. Woman who needs inpatient care in hospital? No guarantee of women-only wards. Woman who needs intimate care? No guarantee of a woman providing that care. And so on and so forth. That's why it's not as single an issue as people think it is.

Regardless of what most of us think of them, the Tories have clicked that they've been asleep at the wheel on this issue and now seem to get it / be looking to turn the tanker. It's not enough to make me vote for them, but looking at Angela Eagle's announcement last week, I sure as hell don't trust Labour with this issue. Which really fucks me off, frankly! I'm so annoyed about it.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves i agree much with what you are saying and can never ever bring myself to vote for the tories having seen what they’ve done to the
UK. I like Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves . They seem pretty sensible.

It’s likely they haven’t been equipped to deal with it and have been asked to move on to other topics if it comes up.

Reiterating you are raising the topic and report back that you are is brilliant. Everyone should get them to take note when it is raised.

Exactly. It’s not a single issue. It is foundational and intertwined with all the other big issues and without it, policies in those areas won’t work for women.

Many of us on this board are left-leaning and disgusted and furious with Labour that they’re making themselves into a party that we can’t vote for anymore. They need to grow a backbone and Keir needs to remove the splinters from his arse. Frankly, If he’s not able to do this, if he’s incapable of being bold and decisive and standing for what’s right, he’s not fit to be PM anyway.