Or have Labour totally lost the plot wrt women’s rights?

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Does Starmer really underestimate women this much??

‘Would you vote for a party that promised to let men parade around bollock-naked in women’s changing rooms?

Or a party that was alarmingly blasé about gay kids being ‘corrected’ with drugs and surgery?

Or a party that threatened to clamp down on thoughtcriminals who refer to people with penises and testicles – you know, men – as men?

If not, then don’t vote Labour in the upcoming General Election. Because it’s possible it will pursue all of these petty tyrannical policies’

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/13/tyranny-in-drag/

I'm worried about Labour's inevitable win because of this very reason. It feels like the small steps of progress that are being achieved regarding the madness will all be undone. I'd never vote for them, or any other party who spout this nonsense.

How does that work in reality if one side is pushing for policy change, gets it and the other side ie women are meant to just say ok I won’t speak up?

Have you noticed the gains made by women speaking up? Without that we’d have full TRA policy in place

Honestly don't think any of them are worth voting for at this point.

Tories are getting desperate now.

My point is the more attention it gets, the bigger the issue is inflated. All the while taking away from really important day to day actual issues that affect people. Do I have heating? Do I food and clothes for my kids? Etc etc. the trans thing will shrink if it's not getting this constant attention (remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity). I think there has always been trans people but the wave now is unrealistic. But the more people insist on frothing, the worse it gets.

But surely you’ve noticed the males pushing for their policies and without women saying no they’d get them

How does that help women or children for that matter?

Puberty blockers a good recent example, where this clash exists

Tg people challenged something that was harmful. I think your method would just see further harm.

It’s not ‘frothing’ btw that’s just trying to take away from women speaking up

You seem to assume that the defence of sex-based rights isn’t a critical issue. It absolutely is. Rights don’t just materialise, they have to be fought for and then defended. There is absolutely an attempt to erode women’s rights at the moment - to say that men are entitled to use women’s spaces, and that biological sex is less important than a man’s fetishes.

To fight this isn’t “anti-trans”. Trans people are deserving of dignity and respect - but some of the demands of the trans lobby directly threaten women’s protections. It is the ideology behind it we object to, not trans people themselves.

Of course issues like housing, healthcare, cost of living are important too. I do think about these deeply. With this election there are only terrible and more terrible choices here!

Yes, the SDP and the Communists are the only two parties that still defend biological reality and solidly support women’s single-sex rights and spaces.

Even the Women’s Equality Party preaches that transwomen are women.

Of the major parties, the Tories are best on women’s issues. I would give anything for a sensible non-Tory candidate, but it’s very unlikely where I live.

The on trans person I know happens to be f to m.

This.

I cannot vote for a party that has been riddled with this ideology. I can't help be responsible for the inevitable rapes and sexual assaults of vulnerable children and women at the hands of this insidious party.

I'm very torn. Which is the lesser of two evils?!

Have a huge dislike of the tories but cannot in good faith vote for a party who are happy to let women be second class citizens

They're no worse than the Tories on this so I'll ignore it and vote labour. At least that way in the next government we can hopefully focus on the fact that labour are fucking up women's rights, instead of focussing on the fact that the Tories are fucking up women's rights, the NHS, immigration, the economy, and generally every single thing you can think of.

Well, I agree that Labour have lost the plot on this one, but who are you suggesting that we vote for instead?

There is no party that cares about women's rights. The Tory party sure as hell don't care even if they apparently know what a woman is - they have utterly shafted women over the last 14 years. So what's the alternative?

Are you suggesting that people shouldn't vote at all? Spoil their ballot papers? How exactly do you think that women disenfranchising themselves will help them?

Or are you just a Tory trying to exploit this issue to support your party?

There is no perfect option in the next election. I am not at all happy with Labour's stance on the trans issue but there isn't any single party that I would be 100% happy voting for, so I have to pick the option that I feel is in the best interests of the country overall. Allowing one single issue to dictate my vote in a general election, especially when the country is facing so many complex challenges, would be utterly irresponsible in my view.

They're no worse than the Tories on this so I'll ignore it and vote labour
Agree - for all the “at least they know what a woman is” talk, the policy differences between the Tories and Labour on the issue are so marginal that I don’t see how it could inform anyone’s vote.

Labour were obviously on the Self ID train for a few years longer than the Tories, but appear to have listened to the grassroots.

They’re not a fringe issue to YOU but they are to others.

not all women agree with you either. In fact some of us sympathise with transsexuals.

The way to stop the invasion of women’s spaces is via boycotts. That is the quickest way to achieve it. If all women who felt uncomfortable about it simply cancelled gym memberships, for example, and gave this as their reason, businesses would sit up and have a rethink.

The boycott of buses by Black people in Montgomery Alabama was very powerful. Those people were prepared to put themselves through long walks and very early morning starts to bring about change. It’s hardly as big a sacrifice to cancel your gym membership.

Are you suggesting that people shouldn't vote at all? Spoil their ballot papers? How exactly do you think that women disenfranchising themselves will help them?

I haven't disenfranchised myself, the shit show political parties did it for me. If I feel like I have no choice but to spoil my ballot on this issue, that's on Labour (and the Lib Dem's / Greens) for failing to promise to protect our sex-based rights, not on me, who wants to vote for them but can't (and I really cannot vote Tory).

You don't understand the issues if that's your take on it.

This.

I'd vote for a pigeon at this point if it got the Tories out.

They have fucked everyone over apart from themselves and their mates.

It will take more than pretending to care about women to make me forget all the harm they've caused.

How many times. This is not about ‘trans hate’. This is about the erosion of women’s rights. About women and girls safety, health, opportunities.

Men and only men benefit from the destruction of these social norms. Women are girls are being fcked over, as always.

This is what it’s all about. Not trans this or that. This is about women’s rights. Trans people like all people should be treated with dignity and respect - but not at the expense of women’s rights. Not today, not ever.

Well he obviously puts his support behind the 1% of women that have cocks

Agree that the Tories are not quite where I would like them to be on this issue. People like Penny Mourdant have swallowed all the trans propaganda. Yet there are other more sensible parts of the party that mean I feel that the Tories are more likely to push back against some of the excesses than Labour are, who have been completely captured by the hocus pocus that a man can become a woman.

It’s a tough one. The Tories’ record has been appalling. But I think there are some principles you just cannot compromise on. The Tories are incompetent and will not serve the interests of ordinary people but at least they aren’t redefining reality.

This may be all moot anyway as the Tories will likely be trounced.

how very patronising

i have friends who have trans kids, my children have trans friends. Trans people are, by and large, not the predators you’re making them out to be. Almost all of them just want to live their life in the way that makes them feel comfortable

The talk here is always about M2f transition but there’s also a lot of f2m transition which is utterly ignored. The safety of trans people is ignored. Do they not deserve to be safe too?

Nobody has said anything about trans people being predators. But the fact is that if you allow men to enter women’s spaces, you allow ALL men to do so, including the predators.

So what are you suggesting is the solution?

Who do you want people to vote for, and what evidence do you have that they will protect the rights of women? Their safety, their health, their opportunities etc?