Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

Angela Rayner did check with HMRC whether she owes the capital gains tax-of £1,500. The tax office (HMRC) say she does not.

I'd love it if the Tories were forced to pay back all the money they gave their mates, and family members, though.

Why do people keep saying this? What evidence is there of government corruption?

The mass lying by Labour about covid procurement is quite something. Even the assiduous and careful CurlewKate has backed off this now. It’s nonsense.

You’re simply parroting lies. It’s like dealing with the left’s equivalent of Trump supporters: Labour’s so desperate for power that the truth doesn’t matter any longer.

Are you sure? Angela Rayner has - reasonably enough - refused to make her tax details public. Here’s a news report:

https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-will-not-publish-personal-tax-advice-over-council-house-sale-despite-police-development-13103149

But if she legitimately wants privacy, which of course she’s entitled to, she can’t justify putting out partial information when there are people on the record saying she didn’t live at the property she owned through right-to-buy.

And, yet again, what is the evidence for this supposed widespread Tory corruption in favour of family and friends?

I’m not sure what it is you’re saying that I should ‘get’.

I wholeheartedly agree that women should be judged to the same standard as men and that misogyny is wrong. I also agree that complaints to the police should never be made mischievously.

But all criticism of politicians is political. It’s just the subject matter that changes, depending on the issue.

If a female Tory promotes a policy you disagree with, you’re free to criticise. And the same must apply to women in all parties, surely?

Similarly, if a female Tory were caught cheating tax she should be exposed and suffer the consequences. Why not the same for a female Labour politician?

Why is it suddenly misogynistic for Angela Rayner, inevitably the next Deputy Prime Minister and at least Minister for Levelling Up, Communities etc, to be asked to account for herself?

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying "The mass lying by Labour about covid procurement is quite something. Even the assiduous and careful CurlewKate has backed off this now. It’s nonsense."

She hasn't backed off. She is simply baffled and waiting for examples of this "mass lying" before discussing the matter any further.

Oh ok, from this post of yours:

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying Are you suggesting that the government's procurement processes during Covid were exemplary? That there are no issues with, for example, Michelle Mone?

I’d understood you to be saying that the facts of covid procurement were somehow evidence of government wrongdoing.

I pointed out that there have been numerous court challenges to the procurement policies, all of which have vindicated the government. You then said nothing more about the subject. (I have been perfectly clear that I accept the likelihood of fraud; but that there’s nothing to suggest government collusion in it.)

As to lies, where do you think the allegations came from and why do they persist? I very much doubt that Tory supporters are tweeting and blogging about how ‘corrupt’ PPE procurement was. Labour’s website says they will:

• Appoint a Covid Corruption Commissioner, equipped with the powers they need to chase down those who have ripped off the taxpayer, take them to court, and claw back every penny of taxpayer’s money that they can.
• End VIP ‘fast lane’ procurement processes that allow party political cronies to make money out of contracts from their political friends.

Why does Labour trumpet this - “corruption, “cronies” - if they know, and they must do, that judicial scrutiny of the apparently most doubtful cases has found nothing unlawful (save for one finding of breach of a provision so minor that the court refused to make a declaration of unlawfulness)? I’d say that was dishonest. Wouldn’t you?

Don't forget the knighthood given to Philip Davies, whose MP wife claimed on expenses for London accommodation while he owned and let out a London flat.

Ah. I missed that when I made my last post.

If she did underpay tax It’s not a huge amount of money, and I’m quite willing to believe that in 2015 she didn’t know enough about tax to believe she was liable for CGT.

If you are married you can only have one primary residence for CGT exemption purposes.

However, it’s a long time since I have sold a house, and I can’t remember CGT rules being highlighted by anyone during the sale.

@CurlewKate, there’s an equally good example with ULEZ expansion in London.

See this Mirror article and its reliance on a “source close to the Mayor” (i.e. close to Sadiq Khan) about a letter written by Grant Shapps, supposedly insisting on expansion of ULEZ:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-accused-ulez-hypocrisy-after-30768447.amp

And here’s the truth:

https://fullfact.org/online/ulez-expansion-letter/

There was no government encouragement for ULEZ expansion.

But “a source close to the Mayor” wanted national newspaper coverage of a politically useful whopper. That falsehood has been everywhere since.

And then there’s the “£37bn” spent on the Test and Trace app. Complete rubbish. To be fair, the Labour MP who spouted this did correct himself, as this article makes clear:

https://fullfact.org/health/NHS-test-and-trace-app-37-billion-instagram/

But, again, this nonsense has taken hold.

I love the idea of the sweet innocent Conservative government being completely unaware of the corruption happening around them. That lovely Michelle Moan philanthropically rushing in to provide desperately needed PPE out of the sheer goodness of her heart....,

That may be nearer the mark. But I think if you’re going to be cynical about political parties you ought to be cynical about all of them.

I once had a chat with my local Labour councillor about campaigning in the area. He said that in his experience the dirtiest of all of the parties was the LibDems. I really don’t buy any moral high ground posturing from any party.

Married couples who own 2 properties between them have to declare which property is the main residence. Once the other residence is sold it will be subject to CGT.
https://www.taxinsider.co.uk/a-spouse-with-a-past-main-residence-relief-and-gifts-between-spouses-ta#:~:text=A%20married%20couple%20(or%20a,is%20a%20very%20important%20one.

I think her brother lived there.

If you have a second home you can nominate either residence as a primary residence, and the primary residence can change. There are also periods where CGT may not apply if a home has ever been your primary residence, and tax law changes. If a property has sometimes not been a primary residence, CGT may apply.

To me, It sounds as though she probably wasn’t assiduous enough in ensuring that she paid £1-£3k in tax. Whether that is a game changer for the electorate is up to the electorate. It isn’t for me.

From this thread, some people genuinely don’t realise this.

Angela Rayner MP, Labour’s Shadow Deputy Prime Minister and Shadow Secretary of State for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, said: *
“Safe, secure, affordable home is the foundation of a good life and one that people are desperately waiting for. But over the last thirteen years, the Tories have taken a sledgehammer to that foundation and caused a housing emergency.
“The next Labour Government will deliver the biggest boost to affordable, social and council housing for a generation, and get those social homes built, brick by brick. We’ll start by rebuilding the dream of a safe, secure, affordable home that the Tories have taken a wrecking ball to over the last thirteen years.
“Developers have been let off the hook and for too long allowed to wriggle out of their responsibilities to provide new social and affordable homes. Labour will robustly hold them to account to deliver on their obligations to deliver affordable housing*
And yet she contradicts herself by buying her own council house at a reduced cost thus adding to the lack of social housing crisis. She’s a hypocrite.

Or, as a single mother with no family support, she did what she could at the time to buy a house. That doesn’t mean there aren’t better options.

If Labour is serious about this, then good. One thing we do badly need is regulatory intervention in the housing market. Homelessness, eviction and exploitation are a terrible blight.

I may generally be a free market capitalist but I abhore buy to let and unscrupulous landlords. Housing is just not a market that works by the usual mechanisms: we can’t make more land and there’s nothing more fundamental than housing.

I would be all in favour of a massive shake up that left only highly regulated, properly funded landlords who are held to standards dictated by social need.

@Merrymouse I have posted repeatedly that a married couple can have one primary residence. A second home is a second home! Married couples cannot nominate both as primary residence at the same time. They need to pay CGT on a house that’s not the primary residence if it sold. Back in 2015 it was the same and, as a legislator, she absolutely should have known.

AR promotes herself as a woman supporting those who are worse off but conducts her own life in a way that’s detrimental to the folk she champions.

If she hadn't bought it and was still renting as a council tenant you'd be criticising her for that too. It's ridiculous.

Why would anyone criticise someone for renting a council house, or any house for that matter?

If there is proof she evaded tax the she should resign. But right now there isn't any proof, unless of course you have access to her tax records?

This is just desperate Tory deflection. Give up, it is not going to save the Tory party.

Well Bob Crow got endless criticism from the Tories for remaining a council tenant and I think possibly a current Labour MP, but I might be thinking of someone else.

Eta: here is the Daily Hate Mail smearing the MP:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12989757/Labour-MP-attacked-Government-having-no-solutions-housing-crisis-living-taxpayer-funded-council-flat-two-years-admitting-probably-not-need.html

I’m not even fussed if she bought her council house and is now being a hypocrite about allowing others to do the same. I’m bothered about the fact that she potentially lied about still living in the house when she didn’t. She is correct in that if she did still live there then no tax was liable. But I find it hard to believe she lived apart from her partner/husband and kids. The neighbour of the second house (husbands house) is adamant she lived there even before marriage. She says the wedding car picked her up from that house. She had conversations with Angela about noise levels.