Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

[CormorantStrikesBack]

I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

You mean Daly could open himself up to a libel claim?

Yes, which is why politicians of any party avoid making public allegations of wrongdoing or of suspicion of offences but say “the police should clear this up” etc. (Statements in Parliament and to the police are privileged.)

If he were worried about defamation he shouldn't have reported it. I don't think a defamation claim around good faith allegations would get far.

No - if she is married that isn’t true. As a married couple they can only claimed Private Residence Relief on one property regardless of ownership. (Although would be true if they weren’t married, even if they now lived at his property).

However if either your conveyancing solicitor said this, or you came away with that impression, it just demonstrates that CGT legislation is sometimes misunderstood.

Making a tax mistake (as opposed to deliberate tax evasion) is not a criminal offence.

Only if they actually separated straight after they got married, which would be odd and is not what she has claimed.

You can have two homes as a married couple. Maybe a family home and a flat in London for work. No issue until you sell at which point CGT is payable if the one you've sold was not, whether by election or in fact, your principle residence.

Ok so the living apart claim doesn’t make a difference

Not really.

Also, if they claimed the relief for her house, they couldn’t claim it for his house for the same period, so they wouldn’t have avoided the potential for CGT.

Their living arrangements would only make a difference if they didn’t nominate one of the houses for the relief, leaving HMRC to decide on the main residence - but it seems that she sometimes spent time at her husband’s house and he never lived at her house so based on the facts, hers was not the main residence.

Merrymouse
but it seems that she sometimes spent time at her husband’s house

Although according to a former neighbour in Lowndes Lane (her husband's address) she moved in with her children in the summer of 2009 (the year before they got married) and remained there until the property was sold.

Does anyone know the name of the Tory MP who bought about 30 council houses in Pimlico, paying off the tenants. Or perhaps he was just An Advisor? Nice little earner.

bombastix
public interest- she was a private citizen at the time of the allegations
This is what I mean about resetting the bar

She was a parliamentary candidate for the 2015 general election at the time of the allegations. She was selected in September 2014 and sold her property/removed her name from the electoral register in March 2015;

https://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/87871/angela-named-mp-candidate

As mentioned several times up thread, Jill Mortimer was a candidate in the Hartlepool by-election when Angela Rayner made allegations against her. The difference being that Jill Mortimer had a plausible explanation, whereas Angela Rayner has been nothing but evasive - not to mention that her former neighbours and a former aide have contradicted her story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9516309/Tories-accuse-Angela-Rayner-slur-against-Hartlepool-candidate.html

Similarly, Labour's candidate for Rochdale hit the headlines recently when he was found to have made antisemitic remarks.

Sebastian Corbyn has done same re L A property - toxic blend of stupidity and cupidity 🫤

He bought his ex council flat and rented it out on air bnb, are there laws preventing this?

It looks like a 'nice little earner' to quote newnamethanks;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6713033/Thats-rich-Corbyns-son-Sebastian-rents-ex-council-flat-Airbnb-fat-profit.html

@Clavinova - that is not quite the same as being in public life since she wasn't elected by that point. Is it?

It does but it is not breaking any laws, is it?

This is a nice little earner too but not against the law

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/21/esther-mcvey-expenses-flat-philip-davies

Sebastian Corbyn owns 30 ex-council properties? Surely some mistake.

bombastix
@ Clavinova - that is not quite the same as being in public life since she wasn't elected by that point. Is it?

Jill Mortimer had not been elected at that point either - why is it ok for Angela Rayner to pick on her?

(NB Jill Mortimer is a Northern woman as well, daughter of a builder and a greengrocer, studied law at the age of 50 at Teesside University, Middlesbrough)

In any case, the electoral register is important in the Angela Rayner inquiry because election candidates are also obliged to follow rules with regards to their registration/nomination forms and their current address - so there is definitely a public interest there.

Apparently the Telegraph says this is all on whether Rayner now claimed an allowance as a single person on the property regarding council tax. What evidence they would have to support that as an allegation is an interesting question; otherwise it's a speculative complaint. Again, it would depend on Rayner's intent.

One thing that you can tell about her accusers, is that they definitely think in terms of intended fraud or otherwise

No, but it looks hypocritical as per the article;

Sebastian Corbyn, who works for Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, bought the two-bedroom apartment in East London in 2016 for just £162,500 – significantly below the market rate of other properties in the luxury development. Other two bedroom flats in the same building have been sold for £650,000.

Tories blasted him as a hypocrite given Labour’s stance against housing associations selling off their stock and demanding a tough clampdown on Airbnb.

I read the article, thanks

Nice to get a whatabout Corbyn into the thread

DuncinToffee
Nice to get a whatabout Corbyn into the thread

Be careful what you wish for. I did read recently that Jeremy Corbyn is still mulling over whether to launch his own political party or not - which would give him a media platform to criticise Starmer.

Top Corbyn-ing there. Well done for introducing something even more disturbing than the Collected Works of Liz Truss. And don't forget there's always this to fall back on 🍺

Why is any of this relevant, Clav? Corbyn is not responsible for what his son does, which is nothing illegal in this case.

It reminds me of how people tried to smear Drakeford because of the awful things his son did.