Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

So all this time the Tory Party has been pressuring the police to investigate Angela Rayner, they knew about Menzie.

James Daly and Richard Holden

@Roselilly36 if you have the definitive proof, best get on to the police. You will free up six officers and save us tax payers a bucket load of money.

Oh absolutely. It was a terrible political decision for her to claim non-dom status. I actually think it’s a terrible political decision for any politician to enter into any sort of tax planning that requires an advisor - even though they’re entirely entitled to.

Angela Rayner, on the other hand, seems to have blatantly disregarded tax law and it’s difficult (enough not impossible) to see how she legitimately avoided CGT, and feels a bit more ‘loop-holey’ than the purposely designed remittance basis rules.

It doesn’t matter what random people assume, HMRC doesn’t thankfully go by public speculation

Just tax law which was adhered to

These posts show the media sold a good story for a non Labour politician. They don’t target Labour at all

It’s interesting to see these posts about AM whilst reading those on AR, people just go with political support

I thought it was 12?

She balatantly disregarded tax law

And you have evidence of this?

They have known for over a decade!

Anyway, someone at the Times is fed up of Sunak given this "fifty quid deal for Roger O'Neill" story

12!! Jesus.

Actually whether she lived there or not isn’t that relevant to the tax analysis.

As a married couple they only have one main home for tax. Given the husband didn’t live at the other property, it’s clear that where he lived was the couple’s main home (as sometimes they both lived there and they never both lived at the other address).

However, if both homes were ‘main’ homes of the couple (and maybe you can argue that if she was living there), she could have written to HMRC to let them know they were going to treat her home as the main home (rather than the ones where the kids lived).

She would’ve needed some element of permanency of living there to do that, but really the rules are designed for where both of you have two homes that you both live in regularly.

@DaisyHaites apologies I agree with you. I was reading quickly

No, that’s why I said it seems that way, not that it is that way…

And why I said that it’s not impossible that her affairs were in order…

Both AR and AM have made statements that suggest their understanding of tax is hazy. To be fair, AM is a private person, but I would have thought that at least a few people, including her husband, would have checked the statement before release.

People make mistakes.

It doesn’t matter what random people assume, HMRC doesn’t thankfully go by public speculation

Just tax law which was adhered to

True. All the tax experts on here have decided AR is guilty, though.

I assume they have also known about Rayner's living conditions for that long

They do. And sometimes their mistakes are illegal. And some people should be held to higher levels of scrutiny.

But people have hazy tax knowledge is what keeps me in a job, so I have a vested interest in people knowing their tax knowledge is hazy and therefore asking professionals for help.

I bet AR used a solicitor to help her sell her house as her knowledge of conveyancing law was also ‘hazy’.

AM didn’t make a tax mistake. She adhered to the tax law

Is that what you think?

People are raising eyebrows because her initial explanation was wrong.

We don’t know whether tax law was adhered to. HMRC don’t reveal confidential information, and without evidence of deliberate tax evasion, can’t investigate further back than 6 years.

Re tax, it’s difficult to understand how this would be resolved either way, so I suspect it will remain a political question of whether people care.

I believe she complied with tax law (I would imagine that he advisors tell her what to pay), but made a statement that displayed a personal ignorance of tax law.

Its only relevant because she is an intelligent woman with the benefit of professional expertise, but still didn’t completely understand her own tax position.

I suspect it will remain a political question of whether people care

So basically because of time limits AR can't be prosecuted for not paying CGT due to error or for anything to do with where she was registered to vote.

So what exactly are the police investigating? Wrongly claiming council tax single person discount seems to be the only possibility. Does that take a team of police officers. It is ridiculous.

It is a mystery.

I don’t think that is much different to many people. Most use PAYE, or small scale tax or use a tax advisor

It’s something people are not that engaged in unless it’s their profession to advise

The important part is no tax law was broken. Which leads me to the power of the media in that posts on here think she did - and the fact it most certainly targets non Labour if it’s a good story

Maybe she put a bottle in the general waste bin rather than the recycling bin?
Dropped a cigarette butt on the pavement?

James Daly was too embarrassed to say so who knows.

Very sad that the PM of Great Britain is not committed to the country, be it a deputy as in Clegg or Sunak.

Given AM did follow tax law it shows the power of the media that people are certain she didn’t

She’s not even elected. The media cycle is brutal in the U.K., some of which AR is feeling atm

I don’t think that is much different to many people.

Yes, which is why people aren’t prosecuted if they just make a mistake.