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Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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CormorantStrikesBack · 10/03/2024 12:33

I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

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Bromptotoo · 14/04/2024 16:25

@IClaudine It's very easy, see posts in this thread, to present it as being about her not knowing where she lived.

Enough of the public fall for it for it to serve its purpose so far as the Tories are concerned.

In reality there's a lot of case law about what constitutes residence.

Idontknowwhattodo78 · 14/04/2024 16:27

She’s a hypocrite and a liar but that goes hand in hand with being a politician? Calling out Hancock for his affair, whilst she was having one herself was a low point, but I’d be hard pushed to find an ounce of integrity in any political party.
I really did hate it though when she stood up and said “I represent women in business”. I am a woman in business and she is not representative of me. At all.

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 16:55

When did she have an affair and who with?

Bromptotoo · 14/04/2024 16:57

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 16:55

When did she have an affair and who with?

I assume it refers to her time with Sam Tarry, another Labour MP.

CurlewKate · 14/04/2024 16:58

@Idontknowwhattodo78 "Calling out Hancock for his affair, whilst she was having one herself was a low point"

She called Hancock out because he gave the woman he was having an affair with a job, not because he was simply have no an affair. But don't, as they say, let they're h get in the way of a good story!

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 17:09

Bromptotoo · 14/04/2024 16:57

I assume it refers to her time with Sam Tarry, another Labour MP.

That is what I thought but they were both separated from their respective spouses at the time they were allegedly seeing each other in 2022, well after the Hancock thing in 2021. So not an affair and not at the time Rayner was calling Hancock out.

Perhaps @Idontknowwhattodo78 knows something none of the rest of us do? 🫠

Bromptotoo · 14/04/2024 17:16

The Sun, not a reliable source I know, accused her of hypocrisy over Tarry as he was married at the time, albeit separated:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17410123/angela-rayner-married-mp-lover/

As above the issue with Handcock wasn't kissing/shagging but giving his lover, or at least a friend at the time, a job.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 17:24

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 16:11

But she broke no rules if she was registered to vote at two properties. That is allowed. And her ex council house could at that point have been nominated as her PPR, regardless of whether she actually lived there. That is not against the rules.

So I am not sure what the aide's point is?

This is getting desperate.

I rather doubt the former aide, on who AR imposed an NDA, apparently, is a ‘desperate’ Tory.

Alexandra2001 · 14/04/2024 17:27

Bromptotoo · 14/04/2024 13:34

@Alexandra2001 They can tell who voted and who did not. The clerks at the polling station cross you off the list and enter the number of the voting paper you were given on it. Thus, in fact, the secrecy of the ballot can be broken as the slip can be matched to the voter it was issued to, though that will only be authorised where serious allegations have to be addressed.

To vote twice you'd need to be on the register at two different addresses or with multiple identities. The issue with Rayner is not that; she's alleged to be registered at one address while her residence was elsewhere.

As there is no ID requirement (until this year) then all they would know is someone claiming to be AR voted...... hardly conclusive when we are talking about criminal burdens of proof.

But seriously, do you really think she was voting twice???

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 17:37

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 17:24

I rather doubt the former aide, on who AR imposed an NDA, apparently, is a ‘desperate’ Tory.

I didn't say he was a Tory or desperate. But feel free to twist my words if it makes you feel better.😘

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 17:39

Bromptotoo · 14/04/2024 17:16

The Sun, not a reliable source I know, accused her of hypocrisy over Tarry as he was married at the time, albeit separated:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17410123/angela-rayner-married-mp-lover/

As above the issue with Handcock wasn't kissing/shagging but giving his lover, or at least a friend at the time, a job.

I guessed it was either a Sun or Mail angle.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 17:42

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 17:37

I didn't say he was a Tory or desperate. But feel free to twist my words if it makes you feel better.😘

I thought the Tory implication was clear enough. But if you’re not saying it’s Tory desperation to attack Rayner, fair enough.

Why would the aide be ‘desperate’? - which you clearly did say.

Alexandra2001 · 14/04/2024 17:42

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 17:24

I rather doubt the former aide, on who AR imposed an NDA, apparently, is a ‘desperate’ Tory.

“There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then-husband, Mark,” his letter states
“I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”

10 years ago and he because she wasn't in when he visited, that proves she lives there..... or it doesn't prove she lives there.... ???

...he visited only the one time.... i hope the Police acted on a little more than this, bearing in mind, there is a 12month time limit for prosecutions and we are talking how long ago???

However, having been subject to a NDA after having been made a redundancy offer, i don't approve of these at all but they are extremely common, no matter what you re trying to insinuate.

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 17:47

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 17:42

I thought the Tory implication was clear enough. But if you’re not saying it’s Tory desperation to attack Rayner, fair enough.

Why would the aide be ‘desperate’? - which you clearly did say.

I didn't say the aide was desperate.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 17:48

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 17:47

I didn't say the aide was desperate.

There’s no other way of reading your post. You did say that.

pointythings · 14/04/2024 17:54

Alexandra2001 · 14/04/2024 17:42

“There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then-husband, Mark,” his letter states
“I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”

10 years ago and he because she wasn't in when he visited, that proves she lives there..... or it doesn't prove she lives there.... ???

...he visited only the one time.... i hope the Police acted on a little more than this, bearing in mind, there is a 12month time limit for prosecutions and we are talking how long ago???

However, having been subject to a NDA after having been made a redundancy offer, i don't approve of these at all but they are extremely common, no matter what you re trying to insinuate.

Yeah, I thought the same as you - the fact that she wasn't in when he rocked up isn't evidence of anything at all. My kids are frequently not at my house because they do in fact live elsewhere, but by this guy's lights their absence is proof that they live here? Bizarre.

And NDA or not, a resentful ex-employee is hardly going to be an impartial witness. This testimony isn't the gotcha the right wing media would like it to be.

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 17:54

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 17:48

There’s no other way of reading your post. You did say that.

I said "this is getting desperate". As in, the attempt to keep the AR smearing story going.

newnamethanks · 14/04/2024 18:05

AR was out? Alone and late at night probably. Shameful. Stone her.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 18:15

newnamethanks · 14/04/2024 18:05

AR was out? Alone and late at night probably. Shameful. Stone her.

I reckon St Angela was out saving orphans, nursing injured animals and giving handouts to the poor - as tears for the wretched, huddled masses ran down her face.

Alexandra2001 · 14/04/2024 18:19

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 17:48

There’s no other way of reading your post. You did say that.

Nope, i read the OP and thats not what she said at all..... how you read that into it is beyond me unless you work for a Tory supporting 'paper?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 18:23

Alexandra2001 · 14/04/2024 18:19

Nope, i read the OP and thats not what she said at all..... how you read that into it is beyond me unless you work for a Tory supporting 'paper?

Don’t be ridiculous.

Here are the last two lines of IC’s post. These are not out of context:

So I am not sure what the aide's point is?
^^
This is getting desperate.

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 18:26

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 18:23

Don’t be ridiculous.

Here are the last two lines of IC’s post. These are not out of context:

So I am not sure what the aide's point is?
^^
This is getting desperate.

The aide is not getting desperate, but you certainly are @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying 😭

pointythings · 14/04/2024 18:26

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying how is someone not being home evidence that they live in the home they are not in when someone arrives? That's the bit that's confusing me.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 14/04/2024 18:28

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 18:26

The aide is not getting desperate, but you certainly are @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying 😭

You’ll have to do better than that.

IClaudine · 14/04/2024 18:28

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying you have started to really remind me of someone, with your twisting of other poster's words...I think I will cease engaging.

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