Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

It really is. The videos and posters being created and then withdrawn because of lies and stupidity are particularly illustrative of that.

Rayner hasn't been found guilty of any tax dodging yet. Unlike Zahawi.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/20/nadhim-zahawi-agreed-on-penalty-to-settle-tax-bill-worth-millions

It's very funny that on a thread about lying and standards in Parliament and Public Life we are asked not to mention Boris Johnson

https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1776871511523000392

What we have learned is that lots of people, including journalists and Angela Rayner, aren’t aware of the details of CGT, that the amount that might be owed would be small, and that HMRC by now have enough information to start an investigation if they wish and if the matter hasn’t already been dealt with.

Anybody who wanted to vote for Rayner because of her tax expertise will be disappointed, but I suspect that group of people is small.

Dan Neidle has the patience of a saint in his replies to Hodges on twitter

most recent

https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1777282060908183608

Oh dear. Shall I start again? She has no main residence when she’s married. There’s a joint main residence. Absent an election, the fact he was always at his house, the kids were there, and she was sometimes there, means that his house was the main residence. 1/2

Your article said that the precise amount of time she spent at Vicarage Road made a big difference. It doesn’t. 2/2

It’s really silly to write about tax without speaking to a tax adviser first. Same for dentistry or quantum mechanics.

Why should I Google your own claims?

You can’t list these gross “order of magnitude” Tory frauds because there haven’t been any.

I just came in to recommend the excellent and expert Dan Neidle-but I see I've been beaten to it!

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying What do you think about Frank Hester?

Or Lord Bamford, Johnson's favourite donor

Lord Bamford is currently under HMRC investigation for potential £500,000,000 of tax 'avoidance' and now has resigned his seat in the HoL on 1 March

I disapprove of him.

I also disapproved of all the antisemitism in Labour under the last Labour leader. It was ‘lucky’ for Starmer that the Speaker acquiesced recently to his request for a breach in well-established convention over the opposition motion. Otherwise we’d have been able to see good evidence to suppose that Labour antisemitism is alive, well and widespread in the parliamentary party, let alone the grass roots.

Re Zahawi, he also claimed more in expenses (at tax payers cost) for heating his stables than Rayner might owe in tax.

Zahawi was in cabinet at the time, unlike Rayner.

The whole expenses thing needs cracking down on big time. Tax payer money should not be used for heating stables, paying off mortgages or cleaning moats out. Of course they will all bleat it’s in the rules, well the bloody rules need changing. No more employing your partner as your assistant either!

I agree. Although Zahawi’s tax arrangement went back to 2000, he did settle his tax liability with HMRC and he has never been prosecuted.

Just to get the timeline in perspective, the year 2000 was two years after Peter Mandelson resigned over his secret £373,900 loan and one year before his second resignation over the cash for passports scandal.

To be clear, I don’t and would never say that there isn’t good evidence of greed and wrongdoing in the Tory party. It’s just that the claim to greater morality in Labour is, well, bollocks.

Zahawi settled with HMRC and agreed to pay the penalty.

He got sacked for breaking the ministerial code, not declaring the investigation ended in a tax penalty, when becoming Chancellor of the Exchequer, a job that put him in charge of the tax system

Just to get the timeline in perspective, the year 2000 was two years after Peter Mandelson resigned over his secret £373,900 loan and one year before his second resignation over the cash for passports scandal

The whataboutery is desperate and silly. No point discussing further.

I think the whataboutery will begin in earnest after Labour scandals following its landslide win. “But Boris!…”

It is going to be difficult to beat Johnson, other than with 'But Liz'

After years of 'But Corbyn' who never was in government.

Quite, after years of 'But Corbyn', I think we are entitled to a few years of 'but Boris/Liz/Tories'.

@CormorantStrikesBack MPs can't claim for mortgages any more, nor can they employ family members any more.

Mortgages may be gone as expenses but I think some still have 'grandfather' rights to employ rellies if they were doing so when the practice was stopped for newbies.

Quite. We are already on predictions of But Labour it seems, before they even have chance to get into power and provide the Tory juniors with any ammo. Who needs predictions of possible labour misdoings when we have a mountain of actual Tory crap if we really want examples of lies and cheats.

Well, the Tories still go on about that Treasury note...

Anyway, the UK is in such a state that But Cameron/May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak will be inevitable. Or are we meant to send the last 14 years down a memory hole?

No, not any more than the Tories should have done after the many years of Bliar and Brown (re Brown, see your earlier comment about Sunak not having the balls to call an election; and Brown lied his head off about his aborted election to boot.)

I still see plenty of Labour supporters’ attacks on Thatcher!

But here we are. Labour lies about Tory corruption, Labour dismissal of its own venality and dishonesty, Labour telling us it’s the more moral party. Labour dirtiness, dishonesty and hypocrisy. Top stuff Labour, you’re on course for the left-wing trifecta!

Sunak promised 'integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level'.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there

Unusual but not unheard off, i know local 2 couples that have married but don't live together.
Apparently, about 10% marry but dont cohabitate.

How on earth is any neighbour going to know?

I moved to my present house 3 years ago, i still get asked if i have moved in yet......

Unless there is firm evidence, the Tory media are on a fishing trip, they know she plays well with large sections of the electorate and has a great back story plus when all this was supposed to have happened, she wasn't even an MP.

Anyone ever noticed that its primarily women the media go after?

Would that be a male dominated media....