Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

Merrymouse
It’s possible that she delegated all her tax affairs to an accountant and didn’t pay attention to the details.

She has already stated that she didn't have an accountant at the time - in fact she scoffed at the idea.

From your link, it says that nominations have to be made within 2 years of the marriage - otherwise HMRC decide for you 'determined on the facts'.

Angela Rayner's defence thus far seems to be (in part) that she was a lowly care assistant who knew nothing about capital gains tax - which obviously contradicts suggestions that she may have nominated the Vicarage Road property as her main residence when she married.

We don’t know what she did. Perhaps she got somebody else to deal with the paperwork, perhaps no CGT was due, perhaps she made a genuine mistake.

If this issue is important to you, you don’t have to vote Labour.

The facts so far as I can extract them, mainly from Dan Neidle's account are as follows:

She married Rayner in 2010 and around that time moved in with him while her house was occupied by her brother rent free.

I wouldn't be so sure the brother wasn't paying any rent - it's certainly not a fact that he was living rent free - only supposition.

Merrymouse
We don’t know what she did. Perhaps she got somebody else to deal with the paperwork, perhaps no CGT was due, perhaps she made a genuine mistake.

Easy enough for Angela Rayner to clear up the confusion - all she has done so far is obfuscate.

Oh Clav, you've been busy assuming stuff again haven't you? Were you a bit shaken into action by the labour party political broadcast today?

Merrymouse
If this issue is important to you, you don’t have to vote Labour

You've posted quite a lot on this thread - is the issue important to you?

No, I genuinely have seen it.
I'm still in holiday mode - I've been away.

I meant I haven't seen it. What happened to the edit tab? I noticed my mistake after a few seconds.

All I know is that any lone parent who has managed to get into safely owned, permanent housing would be a fool to throw that away for a new man, even a husband with a new child together.

She has lied IMHO. A hypocrite of the worst sort. She's the type that puts folk off voting labour. At least Tories don't usually try and hide their greed.. Even Sunaks wife came clean about this non dom business.

Yes. I’m interested in tax and public understanding of tax.

TBF to @ForPeachWriter, she doesn't actually live in the UK, so she's not speaking from current, life experience. More from a sort of Expat, nostalgic POV.

She doesn't realise the extent of damage done to our country by 14 years of disastrous Tory government.

Fair point. That explains this bizarre comment:
Hell will freeze over before I come back for labour to totally destroy the UK

Bit late for that. The Tories have already done it.

I think the comment about labour is very accurate because under their last government the average income was £15,000 a year while the average property cost £65,000. By 2007, as Blair left office, average pay had risen to £20,000 — but house prices had surged to an extraordinary £190,000. In other words, relative to wages, and under a Prime Minister who spoke relentlessly of expanding opportunity, the cost of housing had doubled.

Furthermore Labour invaded Iraq which cost the UK over 50 billion in Afghanistan, countless servicemen and decimated the middle East and caused so many deficit problems for the Tories and then promoted massive immigration from war torn nations. Labour ruined the UK in the early 2000's with their historic collapse in industry also when millions lost their jobs and manufacturing dropped dramatically. Hence the rise in the red wall and working class Tories fed up with the left wing, hypocritical grifters. The Blair's are multimillionaire who illegally moved their wealth off shore to avoid taxation and now own multiple property management companies to further exploit the poor.

The expat poster appears to know more about our political history under labour than you lot do!!! Your views are clearly very one sided.

As for Rayner, she is a lying thief in my view who in her short 9 years in office has become a multi millionaire! How is that possible if she is so honest? Her wealth is estimated at over 4 million. She isn't honest, she is as greedy as any Tory and now controlled by her political lobbyists who are her puppet masters that control her actions due to her greedy lust for power, status and wealth. unherd.com/2022/04/how-blair-broke-britain/

@ThePeppyFawn
Furthermore Labour invaded Iraq
This is without a doubt the most hilarious thing I have read on Mumsnet for years. Yup, I remember Tony Blair in military uniform storming into Baghdad, waving the Union Flag. Definitely that happened. And of course not a single Tory MP supported the war in Iraq, in fact every single one of them voted against it.

And the global financial crisis (little clue here) was also 100% Labour's fault.

2/10 and that's just because you did a lot of typing.

Your response was politer than mine would have been @pointythings

I'm very nice really. 😂

That is the sort of response I would expect from someone on the left. Blair and the Labour government made the decision to invade Iraq against the advice of many in the opposition parties both liberal and tory. That is not something to laugh about considering that there were protests all over the nation against Britain's invasion. Clearly given your lack of knowledge, you probably weren't even born then.

As for Rayner, she is remarkably silent NOT transparent when she could easily clear up the mess she created when she attempted to evade the CGT she owed HMRC. Only criminals try to hide their tax avoidance. I would carry on laughing, because I am laughing at you too!

That is the sort of response I would expect from someone on the left

Facts, you mean?

After you have harped on for days and days and days berating everyone trying to justify another bent labour politician, the facts are still the same. Labour broke Britain in the 2000's and Rayner is still a lying thief. Let me know when she discloses her tax returns! You will still be here going on in defense of her, now that is funny! I think someone said "hell would freeze over before that happens"..... now ain't that the truth! LOL

welcome to MN Peppy

That is the sort of response I would expect from someone on the left. Blair and the Labour government made the decision to invade Iraq against the advice of many in the opposition parties both liberal and tory. That is not something to laugh about considering that there were protests all over the nation against Britain's invasion. Clearly given your lack of knowledge, you probably weren't even born then.

On the contrary, I remember it very well. Not a single Tory MP voted against the invasion of Iraq. All those who opposed it were either Labour or Lib Dem. This is fact - look it up in Hansard.

You get 1/10 this time for posting lies which are easily verifiable as such.

After you have harped on for days and days and days berating everyone trying to justify another bent labour politician
🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for tagging me in that comment!

The defence that Tory MPs voted for action in Iraq is a bit disingenuous.

It wasn’t the Tories that sold the WMD line or 45 minutes to Armageddon. (I’ve never met anyone who thinks the Hutton Report was right about the propaganda. And, though I reject the MI5 murder conspiracy, I do think David Kelly was threatened with humiliation and ruin such that he killed himself.)

Blair and most of Labour do own the decision to invade Iraq and the aftermath.