Spectator - The Torment of British Jews. This article almost brought me to tears.

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-torment-of-british-jews/ Apologies for the pay wall, but if you did want to read it you can get a free trial.

This article broke my heart. Sharing in the hopes of raising some awareness around what British Jews are facing right now in our own country.

@Pasithean What exactly does this mean?

But they weren’t black Asian Muslim and I don’t know their sexual preferences. Sooooo.

You said this...

when I heard that groups Jewish people had on multiple occasions gone to horse guards and where disrespectful towards the guards and where asked to leave . I lost a lot of respect and sympathy for them

If you hear that a Muslim person has committed a terrorist attack do you lose respect and sympathy for Muslim people as an entire group? Or do you save your collective judgement for Jewish people?

The point being, if you see a person of a certain race or religion or sexual orientation doing something a bit shit, do you then lose respect for every single person of that group? Because if so there can't be a single person left on earth you like now.

Thanks for explaining what I meant in a better way than I did!

I think some people are antisemitic areseholes and sadly probably always will be but I still don't feel there's any reason to fear their influence on politicians or society.

Not 'active' ones, no. There are people in power who don't care enough about antisemitism and need to learn better. There are people who only care about it when they can use it make political capital from it and not because they care about Jews. But I don't believe there is anyone actively plotting to disenfranchise and oppress us and we need to address the issues of education about antisemitism, not react to everything and everyone like its the Third Reich reborn.

Absolutely, which is why we need an educating discussion that increases understanding. Not leaping in with accusations when people show ignorance or do things that seem to support antisemitism.

Ring any bells?

are you saying all other groups are only attacked when they do something 'wrong'?

if someone wants to hate any group, they don't need a reason

I don't think creating a hierarchy of racism is helpful for anyone and neither is it true

I’m also appalled by what Israel was doing before Hamas did what they did.

I am too. And yet the elephant in the room is that literally any criticism of the government of Israel will, in significant parts of the media, be labelled or implied as antisemitic.

The main actor responsible for promoting the idea of a correlation between the actions of Israel and the beliefs and aspirations of the Jewish people globally is … Israel.

Similarly, if all criticism of the policies of the government of China was silenced or dismissed in many parts of the media as just racism against people of Chinese ethnicity, people would soon start to associate people of Chinese ethnicity with the policies of the Chinese government.

Very weird response to what I said. It's like you didn't even read my post

What happened on October 7th was evil. And what Israel was doing to Palestine for decades was also evil. When an occupied and oppressed people see their own loved ones and children killed with impunity for decades then it’s sadly inevitable that some among their numbers will eventually become radicalised and commit atrocities in return.

And I’m not convinced that Israel’s murder of circa 10,000 Palestinian children the last few months will have helped break the cycle of violence.

What has that got to do with this thread...

The "conflict in the middle east"
board is that way

And yet the elephant in the room is that literally any criticism of the government of Israel will, in significant parts of the media, be labelled or implied as antisemitic

Sorry but this is utter bullshit. Israel for a start is full.of people who dislike, criticise and protest against their own government. Many diaspora Jews are aghast at what is happening in Gaza, while still believing in Israel's right to defend itself and maintaining a feeling of a deep bond with Israel.

That said, a lot of criticism of Israel more generally does frequently become antisemitic - just take a look at the ME board for endless daily examples.

People always seem to complain that ant criticism of Israel is seen as antisemitic, yet I've never actually seen anyone say that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.

Maybe they can start another antisemitic thread about the Torah.

@Comedycook
Innocent civilians on any side being killed is always awful.

But I could sit here and list numerous wars in various parts of the world where innocent civilians are being killed but tens of thousands of people are not protesting endlessly in London.

But what's the solution here? To stop people protesting in London? Do you really think this would be a progressive step for us as a nation? Do you feel this would reduce antisemitism?

I abhor racism of any type, so forgive me if I'm being clumsy. I don't mean to confront.