Spectator - The Torment of British Jews. This article almost brought me to tears.

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-torment-of-british-jews/ Apologies for the pay wall, but if you did want to read it you can get a free trial.

This article broke my heart. Sharing in the hopes of raising some awareness around what British Jews are facing right now in our own country.

No one has said Israel should be able to do exactly what it likes. You are setting up a strawman there.

But you bristled when someone said that you wanted Israel bot to exist, and I was simply pointing out that you indeed say that by saying you wanted one state.

By default, it is being said that Israel should be able to do what they want. Because to call out its crimes is antisemitic, to demand it to treat Palestinians equally is antisemitic, to demand it gives stolen land back is antisemitic. To ask them to stop killing people is antisemitic because Hamas.
I didn't "bristle", I'm questioning you why a fair, equal state means the destruction of Israel.

Except nobody is saying all those things are anti semitic.
You are the person shouting in the corner about how people take offence at everything these days and you just can not say anything.

No wonder Jewish people are scared to go about their lives in this country.

www.newsweek.com/how-he-lefts-israelophobia-turned-inquisition-their-champion-bernie-sanders-opinion-1872610

In defence of Bernie Sanders...

What part of what I've said is scary for Jews in this country? I'm simply asking a question, which no one seems to be able to want to answer.
Sorry can't remember who asked, but the least of the worries is what a one state would be called. Surely the most important thing is that peace is achieved and tens of thousands of people aren't dying? That people with ties to the land get to live there, with equality for all?

Sorry don't know how to do multiple quotes so literally just having to quote each poster to respond. I'm not shouting at anyone, nor am I saying you can't say anything without offending someone. I'm saying that organizations are popping up with new definitions of antisemitism and 'what x really means' and nearly always it seems to be a way of turning concern about Palestinians into some form of anti Jew rhetoric. (There are some Muslim groups that do this too and I find this equally as annoying, it's just a way of silencing people).
I came across a talk the other day on autoplay, so I can't even remember her name, but she's an American Jewish OBGYN who did a lot of humanitarian work in Gaza. She was saying about her concern regarding the IHRA's working definition of AS including any criticism of Israel being a very slippery slope of attempted censorship and I agree with this.
The article the pp shared about the 5 new forms of AS might be fine on its own. But when you look at it against the context of the conflict it is so incredibly reductive and erasive of Palestinian people who are equally human and deserving of the right to self determination. It's very distressing to be told that your concern and devastation for an oppressed people is rooted in a hatred of another group, because it's simply not true.

when I heard that groups Jewish people had on multiple occasions gone to horse guards and where disrespectful towards the guards and where asked to leave . I lost a lot of respect and sympathy for them.

I consider myself Pro Palestine, I think the Israeli response is completely unacceptable and the reaction of international organisations like the UN and ICJ are entirely appropriate.

I do agree, however that although violence was inevitable, the depravity of what occurred on October 7th and the reality that a one state solution would be unsafe is downplayed far too much. That being said this writer lost me with all her exceptionalism. She’s (rightly) not happy for Jewish people to be treated poorly, and yet I felt the subtext of the article is that they are more “worthy” of Britishness than other groups.

I personally found the Guardian article which was posted a few days ago far more moving. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/16/jews-uk-attack-palestine-antisemitism-labour-britain

Replace the word Jewish with any other.
....black, Asian, muslin, gay....then see how that sentence sounds.

* She was saying about her concern regarding the IHRA's working definition of AS including any criticism of Israel being a very slippery slope of attempted censorship and I agree with this.*

@madderthanahatter to correct you on this: that is not what the IHRA definition of AS says. Its says criticism of Israel's right to exist is antisemitic. Easy to Google if you want to check.

"It seems from what she said"

I mean, that's not exactly a basis for anything, is it?

Israel is full of people who oppose the current government, for example.

I didn't say they use it in their charter.
To be perfectly honest my main concern right now is not that the the state of Israel as it stands is upheld at all cost. I didn't say it should be called Palestine, but a one state where everyone should be able to self determine, free from occupation, indiscriminate murder and oppression. The Israeli government have said a two state solution is not possible, and the settlements were planned strategically in order to prevent this. The only other solution (and it seems to be heading this way) is that Palestinians should be eradicated completely. I don't believe any group is more worthy than another, so compromises need to be made. It just seems that it's the Palestinians who are expected to make all of the compromises. They have lost most of the land, no right to return, 12 million displaced around the world, how many murdered, imprisoned tortured people. They are not considered worthy by Israel of the right to self determine or even live. Straight out of their mouths recently, for all to see. It's totally heartbreaking and cannot go on.

They want a one state Palestine. And they think Jewish people born in Israel should be evicted from their homes and go somewhere else instead.