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Blossomtoes · 24/03/2023 09:08

They just don’t think they should be held to account at all. Hence attempting to prorogue parliament and kicking all the moderates out of the party. Essentially they don’t believe in democracy or justice, that’s why Starmer got under Johnson’s skin so much.

IClaudine · 24/03/2023 09:27

Roussette · 24/03/2023 08:31

Well indeed borntobequiet.

I think this clip is worth watching again... and it's where we realise Johnson has never been held to account before.

"If I was accused of lawbreaking, and I had to give undertakings to the House of Commons...I'd want the advice of a lawyer."

"The question is, why didn't you take proper advice?"

Bernard Jenkin is single-handedly ending Boris Johnson's political career.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1638595309424058383

His mask really slips doesn't it? Clenched fists, his mouth twisting with supressed rage. No jolly buffoon there, just a nasty, corrupt, liar of a man who thinks he is answerable to no one.

Also note the dig at Starmer, attempting to suggest he is to blame for raising what Johnson thought was a trivial matter.

Rhondaa · 24/03/2023 09:27

'You know this inquiry is about Johnson misleading Parliament and not about him attending funerals?'

Sorry I missed this. Exactly. Which is why it baffles me that people keep saying some couldn’t attend funerals. It's 2 completely different things isn't it. One was about reducing the spread in the community the other was about how guidance was implemented in the workplace.

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DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 09:28

The Telegraph behind a paywall but I think we can expect more stories like this

twitter.com/The_ChrisShaw/status/1639168857435668485?s=20

Johnson stealing tactics from the Trump playbook.

Discrediting the process, suggesting he won't accept the Commons Privileges Committee verdict.

"Boris Johnson says papers central to clearing his name missing from partygate dossier."

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PerkingFaintly · 24/03/2023 09:32

Someone interviewed on the news afterwards, who knew Johnson well, said he'd no doubt Johnson would very genuinely feel hard done by, at being required to account for his actions.

pointythings · 24/03/2023 09:33

@Janiie the workplace is part of the community. Honestly 🙄you Tories.

jgw1 · 24/03/2023 09:33

Rhondaa · 24/03/2023 09:27

'You know this inquiry is about Johnson misleading Parliament and not about him attending funerals?'

Sorry I missed this. Exactly. Which is why it baffles me that people keep saying some couldn’t attend funerals. It's 2 completely different things isn't it. One was about reducing the spread in the community the other was about how guidance was implemented in the workplace.

@Janiie On the subject of things that are the same. Why do you think it was acceptable for a 56 year old man to have a birthday party and not millions of children?

Notonthestairs · 24/03/2023 09:34

The workplace guidance was restricting meeting to 2 people unless necessary for the purposes of work. Plus an obligation to minimise contact wherever possible.

Roussette · 24/03/2023 09:36

Rhondaa · 24/03/2023 09:27

'You know this inquiry is about Johnson misleading Parliament and not about him attending funerals?'

Sorry I missed this. Exactly. Which is why it baffles me that people keep saying some couldn’t attend funerals. It's 2 completely different things isn't it. One was about reducing the spread in the community the other was about how guidance was implemented in the workplace.

It's about the optics isn't it?

And even BJ said that the optics didn't look good for people looking over the fence into the garden of No.10 and seeing trestle tables laden with booze and a party going on.

And couple that with BJ's lies and that he didn't mislead parliament (he did) and didn't know he should not have been attending these bashes (because he is incapable of making rational judgements), and making out it was necessary work ... that is why it is conflated with funerals

The optics are really really bad for those that couldn't attend funerals, see their loved ones in their dying days, etc.

IClaudine · 24/03/2023 09:37

One was about reducing the spread in the community the other was about how guidance was implemented in the workplace

Guidance which aimed to, er, reduce the spread of the virus. That is the bottom line. All the regulations, rules and guidance had one aim. To reduce the spread of the virus.

Roussette · 24/03/2023 09:42

And to add to my post... why on earth it would baffle you, god alone knows.

The one thing we would expect from our Government is to lead by example. To keep to the rules and restrictions set by them. Not 200 FPNs and the man at the top lying in the seat of parliament.

Basically, like everything this Government and BJ does... they and he thought they'd get away with it.
Well... they aren't. They are being called to account. And even if BJ gets off scot free, this will be his legacy.
Not the vaccines. Not Brexit.

But partying in No.10 whilst the public could not attend funerals.

See? we can do a soundbite too!

jgw1 · 24/03/2023 09:49

Roussette · 24/03/2023 09:42

And to add to my post... why on earth it would baffle you, god alone knows.

The one thing we would expect from our Government is to lead by example. To keep to the rules and restrictions set by them. Not 200 FPNs and the man at the top lying in the seat of parliament.

Basically, like everything this Government and BJ does... they and he thought they'd get away with it.
Well... they aren't. They are being called to account. And even if BJ gets off scot free, this will be his legacy.
Not the vaccines. Not Brexit.

But partying in No.10 whilst the public could not attend funerals.

See? we can do a soundbite too!

You make an important point about the report. In many senses it is irrelvant, because everyone knows what happened.
I find it interesting that those trying to defend Johnson arent willing to engage in any discussion of why parties were essential for work, all we get is a load of whatabouttery.

Roussette · 24/03/2023 09:57

Yes, I do think insisting that having a leaving bash for two people because BJ needed to 'steady the ship' and saying it was 'essential work' is a total kick in the teeth to all those who couldn't have a wake for their loved ones.

And, before I am challenged, I know I know... workplace is different to a funeral. It is the optics and I'm afraid the great british public will skip the 'workplace' thing and jump straight to 'parties' and be very upset.

QT with no hands up to BJ not lying says it all.

And this guy speaks for most of us... what a star

https://twitter.com/LondonEconomic/status/1639004698530152448

https://twitter.com/LondonEconomic/status/1639004698530152448

LexMitior · 24/03/2023 10:14

These details no longer matter. Politics is about the perception of a person who seeks power.

The perception is now Johnson is a liar and sets rules that he does not obey himself.

You cannot argue someone out of a simple perception like that. The detail does not help you - as we see here, the best it does a generate a small amount of debate but it doesn't change the perception.

A more intelligent politician would say, yes, I got it wrong, I see and I was irresponsible. The issue with that is these are the reasons why he was a poor PM.

What he is really afraid of is irrelevance- being laughed at and confined to a diminished life make end of the pier speeches. That looks like his future. Even if it lucrative, he has lost that credibility he would need to tell himself and others that he was good.

Actually he was crap and so really he will make up some rubbish about his colleagues and this country being shit to him. Wait for it, because it's coming.

Roussette · 24/03/2023 10:18

@LexMitior

I love that post of yours. I wish I'd written it.
All about perception, yes. and ego for him, and wanting to be thought of as one of the best PMs ever.

Roussette · 24/03/2023 10:21

And how hilarious that there is no DM front page today on this 'kangaroo court' !!

Even they can't defend BJ!

Instead it's 'woke barristers' 🤣 and nothing to do with BJ

LexMitior · 24/03/2023 10:24

Well thank you.

Of course the one thing that did happen at the end of the Committee was that he was laughed at.

That I think is his future- expect him to look very old, and very angry as it happens more and more.

He has spent a life bullying others and tilting at dignity. To be laughed at rather than feared is his fate.

borntobequiet · 24/03/2023 10:30

And how hilarious that there is no DM front page today on this 'kangaroo court' !!

BBC strangely silent too, unless I missed it on the Today prog (might have done).

L1ttledrummergirl · 24/03/2023 12:49

Yet Rishi Sunak, who also received an fpn for illegal gatherings, was made prime minister by fellow conservatives who clearly saw nothing wrong with the behaviour.

He didn't object at the time either by officially putting his objectives on the record, or by resigning from his ministerial role. He was also up to his neck in it.

My perception is that Johnson lied, Sunak and others assisted him in covering it. None of them are fit for office.

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DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 13:20

And Sunak also lived at Downing Street, iirc he actually lived at no10 and the Johnsons at no11

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DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 13:20

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1639246339283517440?s=20

Boris Johnson is a liar say voters

Exclusive @omnisis poll finds:

70% say he lied on Partygate. Just one-in-ten disagree
69% don't trust him to tell the truth
Even Tories don't want him back as PM
Voters say he should face by-election

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1639246339283517440?s=20

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L1ttledrummergirl · 24/03/2023 13:34

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 13:20

And Sunak also lived at Downing Street, iirc he actually lived at no10 and the Johnsons at no11

Yep. Right in the middle of it all.

LexMitior · 24/03/2023 13:35

The only thing that makes me have a very small amount of sympathy is that of course it is really difficult to say people did not know what they were getting. He had been sacked for lying before and had a bad reputation across Westminster. The Tory Party are now debagging him but they brought him in.

Clearly the intention is to bury him so deep he never troubles High office again. I don't think his supporters see that.

tobee · 24/03/2023 14:51

Watching that Dorries video I'm amazed she went straight from the committee finding him guilty, then a by election and end to his career! Surely Nadine Dorries would know that Boris Johnson would inevitably triumph at said by election, with the people deciding and giving him a much increased majority?

Crikeyalmighty · 24/03/2023 15:19

@LexMitior Great post- he will revert to what he always was , a posh, disorganised, grifter. Great for after dinner speeches to a similar crowd of Binkys - not so great as PM- basically the Rod Liddle of politics