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Notonthestairs · 30/03/2023 11:19

Ferrier ignored the legislation and will be punished accordingly.
Johnson ignored the legislation and lied to Parliament and failed to correct the record and should be punished accordingly.

jgw1 · 30/03/2023 11:22

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:02

She travelled from one end of the country to another on public transport putting loads of people at risk as she knew she was covid positive! I hope she does indeed end up with more severe sanctions.

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@Janiie Any chance of you explaining why alcohol and cake were essential for work in number 10 Downing Street at the same time that millions of children were not allowed birtday cake at their place of work (schools)?

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:53

DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 11:09

But everyone broke the rules according to you so why should she be punished then?

She knew she was positive Confused

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 12:28

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:53

She knew she was positive Confused

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yes she did. So in your opinion breaking the law when positive is different than breaking the laws when you made them and communicated them on a daily basis?

I mean, one you want to see punished, the other one you want to see excused.

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 12:33

Or Janiie, are you happy to see the sanction for Ferrier being reduced to 9 sitting days in order to avoid a by election?

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jgw1 · 30/03/2023 13:56

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:53

She knew she was positive Confused

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@Janiie do we know if she drank alcohol on the journey? If she did then it was clearly essential for work and therefore utterly excusable.

pointythings · 30/03/2023 14:44

@jgw1 maybe she had cake too!

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 14:48

'yes she did. So in your opinion breaking the law when positive is different than breaking the laws when you made them and communicated them on a daily basis'

The rules were there to reduce the risk of spread. Of course it is totally different if you know you are positive and knowingly flout by travelling from Scotland to England on public transport, as opposed to eating in the workplace with others you've spent all day with when not positive.

I wondered at the time why they had to spell everything out and treat us like idiots but clearly some folk needed to be told exactly what to do.

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 14:51

I wondered at the time why they had to spell everything out and treat us like idiots but clearly some folk needed to be told exactly what to do.

Like Boris Johnson?

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borntobequiet · 30/03/2023 14:53

Like Boris Johnson?

Did he not actually claim to the Parliamentary Committee that no one told him what he should do re parties (or words to that effect)?

pointythings · 30/03/2023 14:56

@DuncinToffee and like Dominic Cummings. But basically if you're @Janiie , if you're a Tory and you broke rules, it's fine. If you're not, you deserve to be pilloried.

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 15:02

DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 14:51

I wondered at the time why they had to spell everything out and treat us like idiots but clearly some folk needed to be told exactly what to do.

Like Boris Johnson?

No, people who stupidly caught the train when they had covid! Do you understand how a virus is spread?

It was actually ok to eat in the workplace y'know < think we've been over this >. Granted BJ got a fpn for being in the workplace with others after a media witchhunt and I've said previously we can safely say the Met are not renowned for their consistent and intelligent behaviour.

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 15:03

'if you're a Tory and you broke rules, it's fine. If you're not, you deserve to be pilloried'

If you caught a train knowing you had a covid you do of course deserve to be pilloried.

pointythings · 30/03/2023 15:14

Yes, and if you, as the Prime Minister, participated in and encouraged social events at work when those were explicitly forbidden, and then lied about it, you deserve to be pilloried. Drop the double standards.

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 15:17

Media witch hunt Grin

Johnson broke the laws he made, he received a FPN and is now being investigated for misleading Parliament.

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countrygirl99 · 30/03/2023 15:19

@Jannie of course it was OK to eat at work. We are not stupid, no one was expected to starve. But social distancing and only mixing with others when absolutely necessary was required. Parties where not necessary under any circumstances.

pointythings · 30/03/2023 15:49

@countrygirl99 quite - my DD2 had nothing for her 18th. Because we respected the rules.

IClaudine · 30/03/2023 15:55

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 15:03

'if you're a Tory and you broke rules, it's fine. If you're not, you deserve to be pilloried'

If you caught a train knowing you had a covid you do of course deserve to be pilloried.

Ferrier broke the rules. So did Johnson. They both deserve to be pilloried Johnson had no way of knowing who might or might not be positive when he was at various gatherings. At least Ferrier only broken the rules once. And she didn't lie about it or pretend she didn't understand the rules.

Notonthestairs · 30/03/2023 16:03

I suppose there is some logic in arguing that it was foolish to trust Johnson & his Government.

He shouldn't have introduced Draconian legislation and therefore it was right & proper that he should ignore legislation. Shame he went on tv every night to stress how important it was really.

jgw1 · 30/03/2023 16:23

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 14:48

'yes she did. So in your opinion breaking the law when positive is different than breaking the laws when you made them and communicated them on a daily basis'

The rules were there to reduce the risk of spread. Of course it is totally different if you know you are positive and knowingly flout by travelling from Scotland to England on public transport, as opposed to eating in the workplace with others you've spent all day with when not positive.

I wondered at the time why they had to spell everything out and treat us like idiots but clearly some folk needed to be told exactly what to do.

@Janiie For example the rules that said that only essential gatherings should take place at work, which any reasonable person would think wouldn't include drinking alcohol and eaeting cake because it is a 56 year old's birthday.

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 16:29

'But social distancing and only mixing with others when absolutely necessary was required. Parties where not necessary under any circumstances.'

Please do show me any footage that involved music, dancing and raucous behaviour which does tend to constitute a party in most people's opinion. You can't because there isn't any. These weren't parties, they were work gatherings.

I hope Ferrier loses their seat mind looking at how the snp is going it'll be the first of many.

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 16:31

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 16:29

'But social distancing and only mixing with others when absolutely necessary was required. Parties where not necessary under any circumstances.'

Please do show me any footage that involved music, dancing and raucous behaviour which does tend to constitute a party in most people's opinion. You can't because there isn't any. These weren't parties, they were work gatherings.

I hope Ferrier loses their seat mind looking at how the snp is going it'll be the first of many.

Would it be easier for you if we replaced the word party with gathering?

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pointythings · 30/03/2023 16:31

@Janiie Abba? Cases of wine? I've been at many NHS workplace dos. No alcohol involved.

borntobequiet · 30/03/2023 16:34

I’ve been to parties where there has been no music or dancing and certainly no raucous behaviour. I went to a very nice tea party a few weeks ago. Of course, it would have been against the rules during lockdown.

I do like to se @Janiie flailing around and scraping the bottom of the barrel though, albeit metaphorically.

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 16:59

'I went to a very nice tea party a few weeks ago'

What pray tell is a tea party? If it is drinking tea whilst in the company of others I think you'll find that was allowed at work with colleagues. I wonder if some of yoy went home seriously dehydrated and starving after a day a work. No flailing or scraping here thanks, just as always total bemusement. A tea party. Jesus.