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Notonthestairs · 23/03/2023 15:10

If it wasn't reasonably necessary for the purposes of work the "gatherings" shouldn't have happened.
Don't make legislation if you can't stick to it.

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DuncinToffee · 23/03/2023 15:11

You know this inquiry is about Johnson misleading Parliament and not about him attending funerals?

Just say you think Johnson did nothing wrong whatever the outcome of the Commons Priveleges Committee investigation and we can agree to disagree

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Roussette · 23/03/2023 15:12

Rhondaa · 23/03/2023 15:06

Why are you comparing work places to funerals? 2 very different things.

Let me explain. There was a pandemic so to reduce risk of spread the mixing of households sadly had to be restricted. Workplaces were different as people were there if unable to wfh so the risk was already present.

I'm still waiting to hear about BJ attending a funeral, which would be an actually comparable situation but so far zilch.

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You don't answer questions but expect others to do so.

Do you think that a leaving do, (more than one actually) not distanced, with booze and food was essential work like BJ said yesterday?
Because that would be like a wake wouldn't it? People mixing, not socially distancing, booze, food.

When he was 'steadying the ship' that sort of thing for the general public was not allowed.

IClaudine · 23/03/2023 15:12

Janiie, as a pp above pointed out, even **if your assertion that staffrooms up and down the country were stuffed with cakes and sarnies, that doesn't mean rules were broken. The point is, did staff all crowd in at the same time to eat said food stuffs and drink alcohol? That is what happened at No.10.

I find your denigration of ICU staff really offensive. My mother was in ICU when she was dying and the staff were wonderful. My brother was an ICU nurse and I know how dedicated he was and how emotionally and physically draining it is.

IClaudine · 23/03/2023 15:13

if your assertion was true

Roussette · 23/03/2023 15:14

IClaudine · 23/03/2023 15:12

Janiie, as a pp above pointed out, even **if your assertion that staffrooms up and down the country were stuffed with cakes and sarnies, that doesn't mean rules were broken. The point is, did staff all crowd in at the same time to eat said food stuffs and drink alcohol? That is what happened at No.10.

I find your denigration of ICU staff really offensive. My mother was in ICU when she was dying and the staff were wonderful. My brother was an ICU nurse and I know how dedicated he was and how emotionally and physically draining it is.

Yes. And yet Poor Me Boris just had to boost morale because two people left at once.. And we must understand that. Far more gruelling for him than an ICU nurse on their feet masked up all day with no break. All that steadying of the ship must've been terrible for him. Poor Boris.

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DuncinToffee · 23/03/2023 15:22

If hospitals and schools up and down the country were routinely breaking lockdown rules, I am sure it would have been all over the news.

instead we saw harrowing images of exhausted nurses with binbags for protection.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 23/03/2023 15:31

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 22/03/2023 17:20

Ha, read somewhere that his new nickname is "Pannick at the Shitshow"

This is painful viewing...

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pointythings · 23/03/2023 15:39

@Janiie so you're 100% OK with Sir Keir's beer, and you definitely think he should not have been investigated twice, the second time at the prompting of the Daily Mail and a Conservative activist, because it was a work event. That's what you think, right? Right?

EducatingArti · 23/03/2023 16:56

Once schools reopened most school staff rooms were closed because of keeping in strict "bubbles". Teaching staff were reporting eating lunch on their own in their car or classroom because congregating with staff outside your bubble was not allowed.

I don't know where Nadiine gets her ideas of staff congregating with cake and booze in school staff rooms from!

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VimtoVimto · 23/03/2023 17:31

Rhondaa · 23/03/2023 13:30

'How fucking dare he. Funerals were on the list of non essential, yet a leaving bash with drinks and food was essential.'

There were at work. Is there any footage of BJ attending a large funeral of 50 people when no one else could, any footage of him visiting people in care homes when no one else could? Or perhaps he was allowed to visit a loved one in hospital? Nope because it didn't happen. They were at work and had all worked with each other for days if not months. As I keep saying staff rooms up and down the country had sarnies on the table.

Context matters. Not to Harmen obviously but most folk can spot the difference between been at work or going to a funeral

I worked in an office all through the pandemic. We didn’t have leaving parties, we had to adhere to very strict rules regarding food. Lunch was to be ate at your desk (which had been arranged so there was at least two metres between employees) or in your car. We weren’t even allowed to share a tub of Celebrations at Christmas. Alcohol isn’t allowed on the premises pandemic or not.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 23/03/2023 19:21

It's so inconvenient for people who want to defend Boris that the law at the time was about what was essential for work. They really have to show themselves up trying to relativise it.

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Dyslexicwonder · 23/03/2023 19:42

Cakes and sarnies were present in nhs staff rooms

I dont know about that. Both sister and I are NHS, what I do know is my Dsis was reprimanded for sharing a cake both socially distanced and outside with her team outside in April or May 2021. We said good bye to colleagues who had given 35 years service without any meeting (most of 2020) or with outside socially distanced picinic (from May 2021). I remember well the first time I had an indoor coffee with a college was December 2021 and that was distanced too. The reality is that most NHS staff spent the best part of 2.5 years absolutely forbidden to gather inside unmasked. 2021 Christmas parties were banned in our trust. I have said this before but a group of junior doctors were disciplined for sharing a pizza in a staff room. I don't know where you worked but in my and my sister's trust the rules were rigidly adhered to.

pointythings · 23/03/2023 19:46

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 23/03/2023 19:21

It's so inconvenient for people who want to defend Boris that the law at the time was about what was essential for work. They really have to show themselves up trying to relativise it.

It's a new Olympic discipline - mental gymnastics.

jgw1 · 23/03/2023 19:46

Dyslexicwonder · 23/03/2023 19:42

Cakes and sarnies were present in nhs staff rooms

I dont know about that. Both sister and I are NHS, what I do know is my Dsis was reprimanded for sharing a cake both socially distanced and outside with her team outside in April or May 2021. We said good bye to colleagues who had given 35 years service without any meeting (most of 2020) or with outside socially distanced picinic (from May 2021). I remember well the first time I had an indoor coffee with a college was December 2021 and that was distanced too. The reality is that most NHS staff spent the best part of 2.5 years absolutely forbidden to gather inside unmasked. 2021 Christmas parties were banned in our trust. I have said this before but a group of junior doctors were disciplined for sharing a pizza in a staff room. I don't know where you worked but in my and my sister's trust the rules were rigidly adhered to.

I don't know where you worked

CCHQ?

pointythings · 23/03/2023 19:50

@Dyslexicwonder same in our Trust - our 2020 Christmas do was on Teams. We got funding from the Trust charity for everyone to be sent a small parcel of nice things to their home - some biscuits, hot choc and so on. Please note: no actual NHS funding was spent on this. People ran marathons to rise the money to pay for it.

A lot of people, myself included, went to a lot of effort on our own time to have an event that would work online and it was pretty good. But don't bloody tell me we were having parties with cakes and sarnies in staffrooms - and yes, clinical staff were included.

Dyslexicwonder · 23/03/2023 20:00

Thank you pointy I was starting to doubt my own memory. I remember very clearly our chief nurse stating " there is no such thing as a work bubble" to encourage people to maintain social distancing at work and not to socialise. Yes Boris it went on for ages.

Crikeyalmighty · 23/03/2023 23:27

Sitting out in the garden for leaving party drinkypoos with wife next to you isnt work- as far as I'm aware Carrie was not in the government. Nor is getting jackets out to the corner shop bringing booze back in suitcases and hiring in karaoke etc. don't know about you but I've never worked anywhere where booze and karaoke was part of the days essential business and I work in entertainment industry- not politics- Anyone defending these shenanigans either is Tory PR or is desparate not to feel absolutely duped

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PerkingFaintly · 24/03/2023 00:38

Just watched that live.Shock

Even more incredibly, as I put the sound up Fiona Bruce was just saying something like "... QT audience composition, more than half of this audience have previously voted for Boris Johnson"

PerkingFaintly · 24/03/2023 00:39

Ah, yep, that's in the link.

PerkingFaintly · 24/03/2023 00:42

"There are more people in this audience who voted for Boris Johnson than any other single party here. So let's have a show of hands shall we, who believes Boris Johnson was telling the truth?"