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Why are the Tories allowing this to happen to the country?

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Perfect28 · 08/12/2022 06:29

I'm no fan of the conservatives, to say the least, but I can't understand why they are allowing our country to go to shit with zero interest or intervention?

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Eyesopenwideawake · 19/05/2023 17:40

He doesn't have leadership star quality or presence.

What has that got to do with anything? Doesn't honesty, integrity, hard work and trustworthiness matter?

iseeu · 23/05/2023 13:36

MovinGroovinBarbie · 19/05/2023 16:58

Why are we allowing it to go to shit? 🤷‍♀️

It would be a tough challenge. A complete overhaul of practice, eg MPs working on solutions to problems in place of the time insulting each other in Commons debates; an overhaul of taxation and private/public contracts and goodness knows what else to balance out economic needs. Perfectly achievable in terms of governance, but imagine the opposition.

I have noticed that we seem to freely lambast domestic policy but barely even question international or foreign policy, even though they are intertwined.

Yellowdays · 24/05/2023 14:46

I see Braverman gets off Scot free for trying to buck the system. So much for Sunaks honourable government. I expect Johnson will too. Please let's hope the electorate doesn't let this bunch of crooks back in at the next election. They really are the pits.

Justtoshare · 24/05/2023 17:14

Yellowdays · 24/05/2023 14:46

I see Braverman gets off Scot free for trying to buck the system. So much for Sunaks honourable government. I expect Johnson will too. Please let's hope the electorate doesn't let this bunch of crooks back in at the next election. They really are the pits.

I do not condone speeding but this incident relates to Braverman's previous job as Attorney General. All she did was ask for a private speeding course (a bit embarrassing/high security costs to have a public one as she was the Attorney General) and when declined by the Civil Service took the 3 points instead. How is any of that worthy of her losing her role as Home Secretary?
Civil servants are supposed to be implementing Government policy not pretending Stonewall won the election.
Now 'no debate' has been 'seen through' for the anti-free speech strategy that it is, the TQ+ supporters are trying to claim 'bullying' instead...Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Suella Braverman, Baroness Falkner, Hilary Cass (being accused of nepotism)....anyone see a pattern here against people who have spoken out in favour of women's sex-based rights and child safeguarding? 3 of them also happen to be women from ethnic backgrounds.

Justtoshare · 24/05/2023 17:18

And by the way, Baroness Falkner was a Liberal Democrat peer who is now a crossbencher, presumably because she does not agree with the LibDems that 'women can have a penis'.

Justtoshare · 24/05/2023 17:21

And another good Baroness who speaks up for women and children is Emma Nicholson who used to be a Tory MP who then became a Liberal Democrat and then came back to the Tories I think because of gender identity ideology in the LibDems.

TheHandmaiden · 24/05/2023 17:22

I think Suella has a long list of people who do not like her which is nothing to do with the rights of women.

Incidentally, I do not see she has done anything on this point, along with Kemi Badenoch. Now, given they could resolve the issue of sex based rights with a small legislative change, I'd put both of them in "mouth and no trousers" category.

I don't agree with direct activitism by civil servants either, btw. The void here is that this government doesn't bother to clarify what could be done and lets the situation persist.

Justtoshare · 24/05/2023 17:30

TheHandmaiden · 24/05/2023 17:22

I think Suella has a long list of people who do not like her which is nothing to do with the rights of women.

Incidentally, I do not see she has done anything on this point, along with Kemi Badenoch. Now, given they could resolve the issue of sex based rights with a small legislative change, I'd put both of them in "mouth and no trousers" category.

I don't agree with direct activitism by civil servants either, btw. The void here is that this government doesn't bother to clarify what could be done and lets the situation persist.

Baroness Falkner was appointed by Truss/Johnson to the EHRC to sort out the confusion over how the Equality Act 2010 was being wilfully misinterpreted. The previous incumbent had worked directly for Stonewall. She announced her review when she was first appointed and has only now many months later published her sensible conclusions about navigating the competing rights of the protected characteristics.
Suella Braverman as Attorney General clarified that schools do not have to 'take on board' the concept of children being 'trans' re toilets etc. This has overlap for women's single sex spaces too. She has been supportive on this.
Ditto Kemi Badenoch who they haven't gone for yet but she has been working with Baroness Falkner on the proposed clarification to the Equality Act. Falkner is head of a Quango and Badenoch is a Minister in the relevant Department.
There are some Tory women in Parliament who believe TWAW (eg Penny Mordaunt) but most do not.

TheHandmaiden · 24/05/2023 17:35

@Justtoshare - my money is that these alleged changes which are perhaps the work of a few weeks are not done by the next election.

So important are they to this Government that they may make the change when "parliamentary time allows".

That is code for "maybe".

AutumnCrow · 24/05/2023 17:37

There are some Tory women in Parliament who believe TWAW (eg Penny Mordaunt) but most do not.

Trouble is, the ones who do buy into and promote extreme gender ideology and queer theory have been in very senior and influential positions, including Ministers for Women & Equalities, Chairs of the Women & Equalities Select Committee, and a PM (ffs) - Nicky Morgan, Amber Rudd, Penny Mordaunt, Maria Miller, Caroline Nokes and Theresa May.

The Tory chaps just left it to them because they though that the women knew what they were doing. They were all a bunch of useful idiots plus a couple of utter vipers.

AutumnCrow · 24/05/2023 17:38

AutumnCrow · 24/05/2023 17:37

There are some Tory women in Parliament who believe TWAW (eg Penny Mordaunt) but most do not.

Trouble is, the ones who do buy into and promote extreme gender ideology and queer theory have been in very senior and influential positions, including Ministers for Women & Equalities, Chairs of the Women & Equalities Select Committee, and a PM (ffs) - Nicky Morgan, Amber Rudd, Penny Mordaunt, Maria Miller, Caroline Nokes and Theresa May.

The Tory chaps just left it to them because they though that the women knew what they were doing. They were all a bunch of useful idiots plus a couple of utter vipers.

Sorry I should have bolded that first para, as it's a quote

There are some Tory women in Parliament who believe TWAW (eg Penny Mordaunt) but most do not.

TheHandmaiden · 24/05/2023 17:40

Btw I would be really impressed if this was done. I literally sent my daughters to a GDST school rather than have the authorised state gobbledegook on gender be recited or endorsed.

Justtoshare · 24/05/2023 17:42

AutumnCrow yes I agree there are too many useful idiots of the female sex. I hadn't clocked Rudd as one of them though as I remember her being de-platformed at Oxford University at a feminist event, when she was Home Secretary. She stood down anyway as she was very pro-EU.

Justtoshare · 24/05/2023 17:46

TheHandmaiden · 24/05/2023 17:40

Btw I would be really impressed if this was done. I literally sent my daughters to a GDST school rather than have the authorised state gobbledegook on gender be recited or endorsed.

The Tories cannot now not do it, anymore than they can not now not publish the new guidance for schools on sex education (Gillian Keegan at Education sigh - what was Sunak thinking?).
Like I said the build-up has happened over months and there was the petition in Parliament too.
If they cannot even deliver this....then they deserve to lose badly...even though Labour/LibDem/SNP will be far worse for women and children.

Grantanow · 25/09/2023 14:42

The only time the Tories appear to worry about ordinary folk is when they want your vote, otherwise they don't care and it's one rule for them and the rest can go to the devil.

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