Why are the Tories allowing this to happen to the country?

[Perfect28]

I'm no fan of the conservatives, to say the least, but I can't understand why they are allowing our country to go to shit with zero interest or intervention?

And yes, I totally agree that his decison to sell gold was driven by an educated position and a genuine belief it was the right thing to do.

Which compared to the latest round of polititicans with their 'if you don't like my principles, I have others' approach now stands out as a beacon

IMO anyway.

They haven't allowed it to happen, they've actively made it happen, eroding public services is what they do.
Why people vote for this is what puzzles me.

Referendum on all the major decisions which are impacting us ( British citizens). Change to the constitution, so whoever is in power takes full responsibility for the consequences/damage done to the country as a result of their governing. No idea how it could be achieved, not a politician, just one angry UK citizen.

Truss added £30bn to the fiscal blackhole... in the spring, even summer, no one was talking about Austerity 2.0...

Sunak/Hunt then forced to go far further to quell the markets.

Those saying "We cant afford or fund pay rises" whats your alternative?

12m on NHS waiting lists? 4 days waits at AE? no ambulance service? 80 kids to a classroom?

This country is losing skilled people to other far better paid sectors and to overseas employers.

They just gave pensioners (who overwhelmingly vote, and vote Tory) a 10 % increase.

Fair enough, I can’t (mainly because I don’t have the knowledge ) argue with your figures, I’m just wary of bringing arguments from a decade ago into the mix now. It’s important that it’s not forgotten and properly documented but it is a political tactic to bring up history that isn’t necessarily relevant now to distract from current issues.

...because people will scrap the bottom of the barrel to criticise Labour... the latest on here is someone dragging up a decision (made in good faith after years of stagnating gold prices) 20 plus years ago.....

Ignoring the 100s of billions lost in productivity because of Austerity 1.0 and now we have Austerity 2.0 hitting us.

I don't get it either. I have never voted Tory but when you look at past Conservative governments, they had many policies I disagreed with but they weren't designed to blatantly screw the poor and enrich themselves in the way that currently seems to be the case.

Fair enough, I can’t (mainly because I don’t have the knowledge Grin) argue with your figures, I’m just wary of bringing arguments from a decade ago into the mix now. It’s important that it’s not forgotten and properly documented but it is a political tactic to bring up history that isn’t necessarily relevant now to distract from current issues.

Totally agree. Except - even worse - it was TWO decades ago. Doesn't time fly?

@Perfect28 because they are of the mindset that if you personally have cash you can buy your way out most situations- be it poor services or moving overseas - and whilst immoral it's probably accurate to some extent. Many have no ethics at all , as far as they are concerned 'business is business' - even if it involves screwing others over. Mind you there's plenty of the public who think that way too sadly.

They are just doing what the World Economic Forum wants them to do. Look how many members of WEF are in government on both sides.

In a few years time we'll be on social credits and electrical currency and some people will still keep their head in the sand about all that's going wrong in the world.

Well, to an extent. But if Rishi Sunak fell down the stairs of No 10 and broke his leg, how long do you think it will take an ambulance to get there? 18 hours? 20 hours? I don’t think so…

Oh just fuck if with this line now. It’s not the clever gotcha you think it is. Yes, Labour would be better. Stop shooting your own interests in the foot with this ‘they don’t know what a woman is’. They would boost maternity rights, fund childcare, increase rape convictions and domestic violence convictions. And so far more for the current cost of living crisis than this current shit show. For fucks sake - that’s what women need, not platitudes and semantics while cosying up to the far right.

I think we should be wary about blanket statements about ‘what women need’.

How would Labour fund? Raynor said she has no issue with being on the picket line! If they are in government how would that work. Sitting around the table talking - of course Tories are doing that. Are people really saying Labour would resolve by giving people everything they ask for?

Because the Tories want to move to an American style health service, allowing the insurance companies to make grazillions for their pension pots.

What’s really hit home for me is how utterly corrupt the country is’ Of course there has always been corruption in large public Services like the police, but it’s just rife now!

The police ( especially the met? seem to be on hawk to the present government and do their bidding willingly.
The amount of corruption in the Tory party is staggering and yet people keep voting for them.

Brexit was designed to strip the country of its assets and sell them off to the highest bidder!.
The lack of education of the population is staggering, especially political education.

I actually think those people who voted for Brexit should have all of the shit reigned upon them.

unfortunately it means, the rest of us will suffer as well.
I have duel passport so I have other options!

Anybody else noticed that Brexit has made it very difficult for us to leave the country (unless wealthy)

They have taken away our rights to protest

They are decimating the human rights

We're being trapped and screwed

Oh, and Labour are about as useful as a chocolate teapot. Agree with PP about Burnham and Milliband. God I miss proper Labour
government, not the wannabe Tory Starmer , who simultaneously wants to appease the racist red wall voters and the banks!

We need to call out corruption more imo.

They are creaming the economy to line their own and pals' pockets.

Lock up the corrupt!

The entire system is broken. Record low interest rates have continued silly house prices. Which means rents are also mad. Enhanced of course by a regular flow of people across the channel putting further pressure on every system.
We're at risk of power cuts, the sewerage system doesn't work well enough and we don't store enough water for the summer.
And that's before we get to housing and medical services.
Globally we are on the verge of seriously huge emergencies. The war in Ukraine has meant global food is at risk. The production of fertilizer by gas and by Russia means food is more expensive. We only feed the world population using fertilizer and a peaceful Ukraine.

Now I’m sad

Yeah…. I don’t think we have the infrastructure or skills to set that up for the numbers that could afford it.

I agree with you Starmer is marginally better in some ways (not hard with Corbyn) but others still bad. Although if they were in now they’d still be torn apart by further left pro union element and middle of party. You could see a bit with the picket line issue but as they are not in power it doesn’t matter.

Going with Brown’s ideas re constitutional or legal reform is another long lengthy, process that will suck time and money from every day issues for a worse outcome - we’ll have US voting system instead. Not learning much from Brexit there.

As for funding we still owe £55bn under PFI scheme for NHS and probably for education and great politically for Blair but we could use that now more due to demographic.

Then the issue of benefit expectation, we are at tipping point more receive benefits than pay tax, any higher and people paying for benefits will make different choices.

Plus eroding women’s rights issues.

Anyway they’ll probably get in, at least people will be happy about the U.K. and think it’s doing well. Hopefully worth it over downsides and they are right and expectations are met.

@Horsesandzebras I was in a queue for passport control in October coming back from Spain.
The queue was very long , and there was a lot of huffing and puffing, when a member of staff called for people with European passports to join the much shorter queue at the next window.

As we walked away to join the shorter queue some thick as shit gammon, actually shouted, but what about us English, why do we have to queue for so long.
The perfectly English spoken Spanish official looked him straight in the eye, and told him that England had voted to queue!