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Why are the Tories allowing this to happen to the country?

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Perfect28 · 08/12/2022 06:29

I'm no fan of the conservatives, to say the least, but I can't understand why they are allowing our country to go to shit with zero interest or intervention?

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FlamingJingleBells · 08/12/2022 07:22

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001fwcw
Michelle Mone PPE scandal

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63864192
Michelle Mone PPE

HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 08/12/2022 07:25

Beanbagtrap · 08/12/2022 06:54

This is the problem when you are governed by people who went to schools like Eton where they mock and verbally insult people from different background in their assemblies. It's all about making money for mates. And if the people can't afford to eat, let them eat cake! (Or brioche at least). No empathy at all.

This. Go and read Chums by Simon Kuper. They're all mates and they think that we are collateral damage in their quest to rule the "empire" and make a shitload of cash.

borntobequiet · 08/12/2022 07:26

Tough as it is Sunak got it right in summer and there’s is no magic bullet.

What’s that supposed to mean?

Tiredallofthetime · 08/12/2022 07:28

It means there is no simple solution that will solve all of the issues. They are complex ones: some made by poor choices in the short term but equally some made by poor choices going back decades.

MarshaBradyo · 08/12/2022 07:31

borntobequiet · 08/12/2022 07:26

Tough as it is Sunak got it right in summer and there’s is no magic bullet.

What’s that supposed to mean?

His predictions were correct in FT do you remember, it was a while ago

As much as it’d be interesting to see a party with strong union ties and thought to be on the side of the public sector deal with this there still wouldn’t be an easy solution.

How would they fund it?

pilates · 08/12/2022 07:31

@Perfect28 what do you think the government could do to improve the situation?

TellMeDinosaurFacts · 08/12/2022 07:32

The narrative that other countries are the same and we're all suffering is just not true- we are clearly demonstrably doing worse economically, and that's even before you start looking at gaps between richest and poorest or public and private sector where we rate shockingly poorly. Here's the evidence.
Economic comparison

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/12/2022 07:35

lollipoprainbow · 08/12/2022 07:13

There's no private A and E but there's No way they'd wait to be seen they'd be ushered straight through and treated Asap while mere mortals wait hours and hours.

Really? The paramedics, doctors, nurses and other HCPs who have been so appallingly badly let down by the Tories over the last 12 years will do that? No, they won't, and neither should they, and I can't see any NHS administrators trying to force them to do it either.

One of the things that boggles my mind is that the Tories have been in power for 12 years but in that time we've had five different Prime Ministers and every time we have regime change supporters of the new PM behave as if nothing that happened under the previous PM has anything to do with them. They even try to blame Labour from time to time, which I suppose is force of habit.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 08/12/2022 07:35

Surely they're just doing what the Tories always do?

Inexplicably, people keep voting for them. That's the downside of democracy, I guess. The electorate can make stupid choices.

Zonder · 08/12/2022 07:35

TellMeDinosaurFacts · 08/12/2022 07:32

The narrative that other countries are the same and we're all suffering is just not true- we are clearly demonstrably doing worse economically, and that's even before you start looking at gaps between richest and poorest or public and private sector where we rate shockingly poorly. Here's the evidence.
Economic comparison

This. One of the many lies Tory MPs come out with.

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Perfect28 · 08/12/2022 07:35

Oh wow, where to begin? Invest in green technologies and renewables rather than new coal plants? Properly fund and invest in childcare so people have choice about how and when they work and children get a strong start in life? Fund education so it's not on its knees and departments have resources, class sizes aren't ridiculous and schools aren't crumbling safety hazards? Make healthcare training free and pay trainee nurses drs and midwives for the work they do so they aren't living in poverty. Invest in infrastructure so that having a car is not a necessity for most of us. Should I continue?

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Perfect28 · 08/12/2022 07:36

Transport infrastructure* (but also all infrastructure).

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Notonthestairs · 08/12/2022 07:37

I guess Labour might have reopened gas storage facilities, invested in insulation for UK homes, collaborated earlier with French officials in Calais and increased staffing for asylum applications to speed them up, not tried to alienate one of close neighbours, wanted affordable house building targets, not spaffed money on Rwanda and Festival of Brexit, done something about teacher retention etc etc, not appointed chancers like Paterson or Mone, kept an Ethics advisor etc etc.
No magic bullet but there were ways to stem some of the nonsense.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/12/2022 07:40

All of that, @Perfect28. The railways are in a terrible mess. Also, a country as rainy as ours shouldn't be having to put drought measures in places every few summers. Also, do something effective about the housing crisis. More social housing, some way to cap house price inflation, make it unattractive for foreign investors to buy London flats and leave them standing empty - I don't know, but surely politicians could help if they had the will to do it.

milveycrohn · 08/12/2022 07:41

The Gov shut down the economy for more or less 2 years.
The various covid and lockdown measures cost an estimated £300-£500 Billion.
(ie Test and Trace, furlough, eat out to help out, bounce back loans, and loss of GDP due to businesses being closed and fraud).
All of this has to be paid for; hence inflation (due to Bank of England printing money, or quantative easing).
This has caused a cost of living crisis, not helped by an energy crisis, partly caused by the Russian/Ukraine War and Gov decisions over the last 20-30 years, which has run down our own capacity, etc.
So, the unons want pay rises to combat the cst of living crisis, which will probably cause an inflation spiral.
The health crisis happens every year, but there is also a backlog of cases, due to Lockdown - undiagnised cancers, etc

TellMeDinosaurFacts · 08/12/2022 07:42

I think we should also not underestimate the impact of sheer incompetence and infighting within the party.

carmenitapink · 08/12/2022 07:44

Ifailed · 08/12/2022 06:44

Even the rich need NHS a&e services in emergencies...

They use private A&E.

Private A&E doesn't really exist in the U.K...

Notonthestairs · 08/12/2022 07:44

TellMeDinosaurFacts · 08/12/2022 07:42

I think we should also not underestimate the impact of sheer incompetence and infighting within the party.

Yes I was just thinking how a PM that didn't need to keep the ERG, CSG, etc happy might have accomplished a lot more.

MoreHairyThanScary · 08/12/2022 07:45

People have very short memories, there was a billion pound money tree for the DUP to prop up the conservatives when it was in their interest...

paying people a living wage and reducing poverty. feeds into the economy and economic growth from the bottom up. It reduces I'll health and the pressures on the health service and on and on.

It serves the conservatives for the general public to be poor., they and their mates have pools of cheap labour to profit from.

TodayInahurry · 08/12/2022 07:45

Will Labour be any better? And Starmer still won’t say what a woman is

MoreHairyThanScary · 08/12/2022 07:46

Steamer is conservative lite

midgetastic · 08/12/2022 07:47

milveycrohn · 08/12/2022 07:41

The Gov shut down the economy for more or less 2 years.
The various covid and lockdown measures cost an estimated £300-£500 Billion.
(ie Test and Trace, furlough, eat out to help out, bounce back loans, and loss of GDP due to businesses being closed and fraud).
All of this has to be paid for; hence inflation (due to Bank of England printing money, or quantative easing).
This has caused a cost of living crisis, not helped by an energy crisis, partly caused by the Russian/Ukraine War and Gov decisions over the last 20-30 years, which has run down our own capacity, etc.
So, the unons want pay rises to combat the cst of living crisis, which will probably cause an inflation spiral.
The health crisis happens every year, but there is also a backlog of cases, due to Lockdown - undiagnised cancers, etc

Yes there was covid and Russia but compared to other countries we are doing the worst
And we already were behind in things like education and health

Forever42 · 08/12/2022 07:47

I cannot understand why any government wants a poorly educated, unhealthy workforce as this is damaging to the economy.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 08/12/2022 07:48

TodayInahurry · 08/12/2022 07:45

Will Labour be any better? And Starmer still won’t say what a woman is

Yes, I'm pretty sure that Labour would be better. Regardless of their apparent confusion about what a woman is.

It's no use the Tories knowing what a woman is if they are going to shaft them anyway.

MarshaBradyo · 08/12/2022 07:50

Perfect28 · 08/12/2022 07:35

Oh wow, where to begin? Invest in green technologies and renewables rather than new coal plants? Properly fund and invest in childcare so people have choice about how and when they work and children get a strong start in life? Fund education so it's not on its knees and departments have resources, class sizes aren't ridiculous and schools aren't crumbling safety hazards? Make healthcare training free and pay trainee nurses drs and midwives for the work they do so they aren't living in poverty. Invest in infrastructure so that having a car is not a necessity for most of us. Should I continue?

This is nice but you need funding and PFI isn’t viable

We’re still paying billions now and we need that funding for ageing demographic. Real terms health has gone up but we are older as a population you can’t delay the cost.