Boris for PM

[Dodie66]

Reports on sky news say that Boris might stand again for PM. How do you feel about that?
i actually liked Boris but he made a lot of mistakes

Don’t they do a lot of canvassing? I think that’s the issue it’s easier if they believe in who they are backing

Not that I’d switch but still

And Boris wasn't born here. Funny old world.

There are 357 Conservative MPs. Richi Sunak would need 159 with the other two getting 99. But the votes won’t be evenly split between the others. 258 would be safer!

Surely if they are close to being billionaires then they are millionaires. I don't understand what you mean.

I just don't understand what they are playing at and why they don't understand why some of us are mightly ticked off with it all.
I also don't understand why anyone would back Boris again after all the controversy and lies. I'm assuming it's better the devil you know. Quite baffling

I wouldn't count on it.

I agree that Boris probably still doesn't have the numbers irrespective of what his team is saying. There's no reason for him not to declare if he has, nor is there any reason to go cap in hand to Penny. In this race 100 votes is as good as 128.

However I don't think that means Rishi's got it. A lot of MP's don't like him and Boris supporters will find it hard to get behind the man who stabbed their hero in the back.

So watch out for Penny. Tactically she's right not to stand down because if Boris is struggling, come tomorrow we could well see her inheriting Boris's tribe and that momentum plus the undeclared could easily get her over the 100 - and the membership like her.

Despite running in third place atm Penny could absolutely still win this and as time marches on without a a declaration from Boris I think the chances of a run off between Penny and Rishi increase....

Thats an interesting take.

But aren't the rules so designed that once there are just two names left, the MPs vote and the membership are then shown who the MPs support as PM, encouraging the 2nd placed candidate to step aside?

If they don't, we have 5 days contest which will go down very badly with the public.

@Alexandra2001

Or you could argue the reverse, that forcing the second candidate to step aside would go down VERY badly within the membership....and to be fair many MP's on the basis that anyone getting over 100 has a mandate to progress.

The Green Card, the Non-Dom status of his wife, the lack of clarity about which country he thinks of as home (quite possibly the US) are all issues that Rishi did not have the political nous to deal with before they were exposed.
He is the reverse of Osborne who is exceptionally politically savvy but fiscally incompetent.
The only people who hate Boris seem to be those that he has had close relationships with, his wives, other people's wives, close associates like Cummings etc, to total strangers, he is charming and forgivable.
Penny Mordaunt is a lightweight who cannot answer the most basic questions for someone expecting to be PM within a fortnight.
The country is owed a huge apology from the 1922 committee and the the entire party membership.

But the membership is small?

i just don't think a 5 day contest will go down well, especially if it results in the membership foisting a PM the MPs rejected.

The country is owed a huge apology from the 1922 committee and the the entire party membership

imho Truss & Kwarteng should be on trial, what they have done is far beyond what an apology covers.

Yes the membership is small, but they are the gatekeepers of the leadership race.

If you piss them off it doesn't matter about the wider electorate because you won't be party leader anyway.

Upshot is it's a flawed system that a tiny amount of the population can dictate who the PM is (the same would be true if Labour were in power).

As for foisting a PM the majority of MP's didn't support I'm not sure the membership care that much if I'm honest.

They certainly didn't take this into consideration in the run off between Rishi and Liz and I can absolutely see them backing Penny, if she can get the votes in the instance Boris fails to declare (and I think she'd have a fair chance of getting to 100 in that scenario).

Upshot is it's a flawed system that a tiny amount of the population

And it’s not just those that actually live here, is it? Anyone can register from what I understand, as long as they pay their sub.

@overtaxedunderling Yes that the nature of this country. Slurring everyone whose not white British. The governments of ALL parties allow non dom. Tory donors have it. Who really cares anyway? It’s just nasty stuff and nothing to do with talent. Who cares if he might work in the USA? BJ might work anywhere for ££££ millions. So what?

I think that the mistrust around Rishi comes from the fact that he is non-White and his wife is also non-white and not fully comitted to staying in the UK forever. Jeremy Hunt has a Chinese wife, Raab is married to a Brazilian but it does not arouse the same suspicion as they themselves are white. I don't think it will change for a few more generations yet as the world becomes more right wing and more suspicious of globalism..

@TizerorFizz
@Croque
It's not because he or his family are not white. It's because he's really clever guy at banking and finance who wasn't good enough at politics to avoid unforced errors that will likely cost him the top job.
This hugely sexist country has now had three female Prime Ministers, this racist country recently had a string of Chancellors named Sajid, Rishi, Nadhim and Kwasi, Home Secretaries Sajid, Priti and Suella, James Cleverly is the Foreign Secretary. That's a pretty diverse collection for the four Great Offices of State and bears very proud comparison with governments of EU member states and the European Parliament.
We need capable people of any heritage to drag us out of the mire.

I agree that he cannot get the hang of playing politics.
I was looking at it from the perspective of the many party members who have been given these powers to eliminate upon the basis of common prejudice.

I agree that compared to most countries, we have managed to put together wonderfully diverse cabinets but what is the point when this glitch in the system will essentially always deprive BAME candidates of the top job?

Maybe more BAME members is the answer.

Sky News reporting Boris has pulled out of the leadership race.

So he didn't have 100 backers after all?

He’s out. His supporters were bluffing this morning on the radio. They could not name 100. Maybe 70 was best guess. Phew!

It could be he didn't get the backers, but it could also be that even if he could, enough MP's have marked his card to say they wouldn't work with him if he was successful.

In which case, even with the backing of the membership his tenure would be very difficult and likely end in chaos (again).

Backing out now, he can leave Sunak to clear up the mess and set his sights on a comeback later.

He’s playing the long game.
He knows it’s too soon
Come 2024 …

First Coronation of the Year Long Live King Rishi - Lord of the backstabbing Snnnakkess.... and consort to the Empress of Non-Domness.

His statement reads like comedy gold - I’m the best person for the job, I’ve got loads of supporters, I could definitely win if I wanted to. But I’m not going run, but I know I’d win it anyway so yah boo sucks to the lot of you!

He had 102 backers but pulled out because the party would be divided and not a good government, he’s,put out a statement