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Boris for PM

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Dodie66 · 20/10/2022 16:12

Reports on sky news say that Boris might stand again for PM. How do you feel about that?
i actually liked Boris but he made a lot of mistakes

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Grantanow · 23/10/2022 14:44

God help us all if the Tories pick Johnson.

BlessMyCottonSocks · 23/10/2022 14:48

Boris also has issues (understatement of the year) not least of which is that he won’t last longer than Christmas once the Privileges Committee delivers its verdict. And then we go through this whole sorry saga again.

There will be a GE in the new year whichever candidate they choose. It’s just a question of who will cause the least damage to the country in the meantime.

StormzyinaTCup · 23/10/2022 14:53

Labour will have a field day with Rishi and his wealth, especially in the lead up to a GE, no wonder he is KS ‘choice’. Remains to be seen whether Labour over egg that pudding to the point people get fed up of hearing it.

Rishi is a safer pair of hands economy wise but I think it’s got to be Boris if they want any chance of winning a GE - quite the conundrum if you are a party member.

Alexandra2001 · 23/10/2022 15:06

StormzyinaTCup · 23/10/2022 14:53

Labour will have a field day with Rishi and his wealth, especially in the lead up to a GE, no wonder he is KS ‘choice’. Remains to be seen whether Labour over egg that pudding to the point people get fed up of hearing it.

Rishi is a safer pair of hands economy wise but I think it’s got to be Boris if they want any chance of winning a GE - quite the conundrum if you are a party member.

Disagree... attacks on his wealth wont go down well and will lead to accusations of "anti aspiration"

Have you any evidence Sunak is Starmers choice, or just your opinion, that you are stating as fact?

Pick Bojo and it opens up his entire integrity question again and will lead to further negative market reaction... so higher mortgages, damage to pensions and higher govt borrowing costs.

jennakong · 23/10/2022 15:08

If the Tories can forestall an election for another year, things may be very different. I very much doubt Thatcher's govt would have won a snap election in 1981, or before the Falklands, or before North Sea Oil started paying dividends. A resolution in Ukraine or regime change in Moscow might change everything again. Who knows.

MariEllie · 23/10/2022 15:11

A political disaster movie has been rewound, with the Tory finger again hovering over the ‘play’ button. It’s time to press eject instead. Boris’s friends and enemies know how this movie ends. Please, let’s not watch it again. Boris is a great cheerleader but not a great leader. Please, no!

Kissingfrogs25 · 23/10/2022 15:13

BlessMyCottonSocks · 23/10/2022 14:48

Boris also has issues (understatement of the year) not least of which is that he won’t last longer than Christmas once the Privileges Committee delivers its verdict. And then we go through this whole sorry saga again.

There will be a GE in the new year whichever candidate they choose. It’s just a question of who will cause the least damage to the country in the meantime.

The inquiry CAN be cancelled by conservative MPs, I thought you knew that?

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Croque · 23/10/2022 15:14

"insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results."

Kissingfrogs25 · 23/10/2022 15:17

Croque · 23/10/2022 15:14

"insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results."

My feelings precisely. They road tested an untried and untested leader in Truss and it was a total disaster, there is no point in doing the same again with Sunak.

Time to get back to a tried and tested landslide winner and bring back the one person we know for sure can win an election and win it outright.

JocelynBurnell · 23/10/2022 15:25

Many in the Tory party consider Rishi very wealthy.

However, anyone who is struggling to put food on the table, cover their energy bills, pay rent or mortgage at the end of the month - a sizable proportion of the population in the UK - would consider a millionaire wealthy. Anyone who can go to the Caribbean for two weeks to a £2,500 per night resort during a cost-of-living crisis already seems wealthy and out-of-touch indeed.

noblegiraffe · 23/10/2022 15:32

Anniefrenchfry · 23/10/2022 14:34

I also think that as much as sunak maybe a safe pair of hands. He is not without very significant issues, his families wealth, his wife’s non dom status, his shitty previous record, but importantly I don’t think he has the charisma and strength of character to lead when it comes to it. He is bland and forgettable.

if we are honest there is a reason that labour fear boris the most. And that’s he’s the track record of being able to get the electorate on side, the force of personality and even only six weeks after he was forced from office the polls show large swathes of the population want him back.

boris is the contentious choice. Rishi the safe one; but Rishi won’t be able to lead the tories through an election and they know it . Which means anyone voting for him now is expecting another leadership contest before the next election, to find the person who will , possibly boris. Rish if he gets in is a sticking plaster.

Large swathes of the population? Polling of the public suggest they prefer Rishi to Boris.

Although they would probably prefer the lettuce to either of them.

Boris for PM
BlessMyCottonSocks · 23/10/2022 15:36

Kissingfrogs25 · 23/10/2022 15:13

The inquiry CAN be cancelled by conservative MPs, I thought you knew that?

No, it can be cancelled by parliament, which is not the same thing. Given that some Tory MPs have already privately stated that they would withdraw from the Whip should Boris be elected and choose to sit as independents or even cross the floor, there’s absolutely no guarantee that it would be cancelled. The optics for one thing would be dreadful and would further cement views of the Tory party as being totally corrupt and venal. It would stoke further calls for a general election.

I thought that you would know that?

Another Boris bonus: further dividing an already deeply fractured party and forcing them to focus on choosing whether to continue to bolster up this lying charlatan instead of getting on with dealing with the immense challenges we face as a country. Time to stop playing games.

Anniefrenchfry · 23/10/2022 15:43

I said all along Rishi won’t face boris at the members, and if he thinks boris has got the numbers , Rishi won’t stand,,,I am really starting to believe that and think boris isn’t standing,,we will know tomorrow but I think Rishi might have it in the bag here. Boris is too quiet.

MarshaBradyo · 23/10/2022 15:49

Anniefrenchfry · 23/10/2022 15:43

I said all along Rishi won’t face boris at the members, and if he thinks boris has got the numbers , Rishi won’t stand,,,I am really starting to believe that and think boris isn’t standing,,we will know tomorrow but I think Rishi might have it in the bag here. Boris is too quiet.

He is quiet. Either he’s still working on the 100 or he won’t get it.

TizerorFizz · 23/10/2022 15:51

Johnson was removed as leader because of lying and chaos reigning in number 10. The MPs that support him are sad, mad, bad: and dangerous. It’s all about a chance of winning and belief Johnson will deliver because he said “Get Brexit Done” and enough people believed it. The same people who voted for Brexit and a reduction in gdp. So what do they know? His flaws are ignored and it’s not acceptable. My mp supports him. I’ll be writing to him. Others might worry about Richi’s wife but the rules and the rules and they haven’t broken any. Well done Richi I think. What a great story for his family. It proves immigrants can be successful.

ScruffMuffin · 23/10/2022 15:54

I too think Boris is desperately scrabbling around for votes and might not be able to stand. It's not in his nature to avoid the media like this.

ScruffMuffin · 23/10/2022 15:56

I think Rishi declared once he'd done the maths and realised he could win. Oh well, we will know in 24 hours.

Alexandra2001 · 23/10/2022 15:59

TizerorFizz · 23/10/2022 15:51

Johnson was removed as leader because of lying and chaos reigning in number 10. The MPs that support him are sad, mad, bad: and dangerous. It’s all about a chance of winning and belief Johnson will deliver because he said “Get Brexit Done” and enough people believed it. The same people who voted for Brexit and a reduction in gdp. So what do they know? His flaws are ignored and it’s not acceptable. My mp supports him. I’ll be writing to him. Others might worry about Richi’s wife but the rules and the rules and they haven’t broken any. Well done Richi I think. What a great story for his family. It proves immigrants can be successful.

Yes thats my view too, though to be fair to Sunak, he was born in the UK as a British citizen, he is as much British as anyone born here...... regardless of parentage but i take your point.

My local MP Sheryll Murray, supports Johnson... be interesting to hear her new found support for Sunak (if he gets in) i'm sure it'll be 100% as she back pedals furiously.

Smoow · 23/10/2022 16:02

Whomever it is they'll still be a feckin Tory! Only 2 more years, can't imagine they'd call a GE anytime soon because they'd lose.
Enjoy the misery, it's gonna be a rough ride.

GreatHonkingPudding · 23/10/2022 16:31

Smoow · 23/10/2022 16:02

Whomever it is they'll still be a feckin Tory! Only 2 more years, can't imagine they'd call a GE anytime soon because they'd lose.
Enjoy the misery, it's gonna be a rough ride.

Agreed. Tory Musical chairs isn't going to change much.

Most of them have been in the previous Tory governments over the last 12 years, which have brought us to the low point we find ourselves in today.

I think next year will be worse than this one. There are lots of chickens coming home to roost. Education, the judiciary, and the NHS can't go on like this. Child poverty is up homelessness us up, waiting lists are more than triple what they were in 2010...

Either the Tories can't govern or they are trashing everything on purpose. There aren't any other explanations, are there?

TizerorFizz · 23/10/2022 16:32

@Alexandra2001
Yes. I meant Sunak’s parents. They worked hard and supported this country with their skills and knowledge. We now seem to dislike people doing well. Definitely dislike the rich. I greatly prefer talent to do the job and integrity over dismissing people due to jealousy.

Kissingfrogs25 · 23/10/2022 16:37

Sunak is a wonderful man, polished, eloquent and intelligent. Unquestionably.

He is however: untried as a PM, untested as he has been in the cabinet for such a short period of time and does not have the support of the party or the country.

noblegiraffe · 23/10/2022 16:58

Untried as a PM is a benefit because we tried Boris as a PM and it was a disaster. He was too lazy to actually enact much in the way of policy and the news cycle was taken up with trying to deal with the fallout of each lie and scandal of corruption. MPs got fed up with defending the indefensible, no wonder his cabinet resigned on him.

Croque · 23/10/2022 16:58

It would be comedy gold to see the party member's faces at the precise moment Rishi goes through as the only one with over a hundred votes. I am not even a supporter 😂