Boris for PM

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Reports on sky news say that Boris might stand again for PM. How do you feel about that?
i actually liked Boris but he made a lot of mistakes

Why is Rishi not declaring he will Even stand?

Because he doesn't have to yet?

Lol,yeah that’s the reason. He doesn’t do anything unless he has to. Wants to keep the country guessing 😂

in all seriousness that’s not the reason and we all know it,if Rishi was absolutely standing he would have confirmed. But he’s not. He’s gone to see Boris first.

Oh no we are not going to have a double approach leadership like the David & David (some maybe too young to get this reference)

He’s gone to see Boris first.

Technically, Boris has come to see him.

Are there any articles about them meeting tonight? I can’t find anything?

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I don’t think so, they are in neutral territory, but it’s irrelevant.

it’s odd though I can see why boris isn’t declaring, he won’t unless he is assured of 100. I don’t know why Rishi isn’t. But he is meeting boris instead. It’s very odd. He has the mp support.

We know he won’t stand if he thinks it’s going to the members as he can’t beat boris there. so the only logical explanation is unless he is sure boris isn’t at 100 Rishi won’t confirm he is standing, or even stand.

no one can give me a better explanation.

Rishi has the mp support, he is not confirming he will stand, with 40 odd hours to go..he is instead staying silent and meeting boris, he can’t beat boris if it goes to the members, if boris gets 100 Rishi looses..those are the facts we have so far.

I don’t think so, they are in neutral territory, but it’s irrelevant.

But Boris was on holiday in the Dominican Republic and was supposed to be coming back triumphantly to save the country. Instead he has come back to being ditched by the Telegraph, being booed on the plane and not enough public support. And now he's meeting Rishi to try to get something out of it.

He's the one on the back foot.

Ok, but still you are not telling me why Rishi is meeting him and he is not saying he will stand. He has the numbers.

none of us here can influence it. It’s not some slagging match between us.

my question is a Valid one. Why is Rishi meeting boris and not yet declaring he will stand. He is saying nothing and hiding from the media. He was photographed this evening going into meet boris and he didn’t look happy at all to have been seen. Rishi is hiding right now. Boris is not.

It’s probably wise of rishi not to declare yet, he obviously could but he knows he would lose against Boris with the members so why declare now and potentially lose and have the reputation of having lost with the members twice.
better to see what happens over next 24 hours.
i personally think Boris will get to 100

I will never vote Conservative as their views on the kind of society they want is vastly different to mine.

I hope Sunak gets more say on reigning in the spending.

Some spending that includes investment I think can be necessary and beneficial. So much of the country’s wealth and spending is going to the super wealthy - including during covid - and weakening living standards for the majority, middle incomes too. I fear eventually there will be the super rich and a poor standard of living for everyone else, almost zero public services plus super poor for those on the lowest incomes. The super rich also don’t spend their money in the economy but hoard it making everyone poorer. I would love a wealth tax on the super rich to get some of the money redistributed to the majority.

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That’s my take, Rishi won’t declare if he thinks boris can hit 100. And we can’t ignore he’s not declared.

Rishi and boris aren’t waiting for public declarations like us.they and their teams are calling these guys directly. They know which way folks are leaning.

the fact he’s not declaring and is meeting Boris is very significant and we shouldn’t think it isn’t. Between then though they can unite the party. If they can come to an agreement to work together…

I feel bad for penny though, she’s like the unpopular kid at school asking if anyone wants to be on her team,

I’m not sure how Sunack can work with Johnson after all he witnessed from him, the first time around.

And vice Versa right, sunak is a billionaire, they tax dodge, or exploit loopholes to. Avoid paying tax in the uk, his policies have been awful, eat out to help out doesn’t bear thinking about, the lock down it brought on us, his policies, I don’t know how they can both align. Very few people in the world are as incredibly wealthy as sunak. It’s very difficult.

tomorrow will be interesting.

All governments have kept the non dom status. Labour never changed it. Very very few people use it. So why didn’t Labour change it? They’ve had plenty of opportunity.

Also being rich doesn’t make you a useless leader and poor at your job. It’s not a sign that you don’t come from an ordinary background. Sunak did. It’s his wife that’s rich.

The vast majority of people pay taxes here. The super rich are different but that doesn’t mean laws cannot be changed but of course they would leave. The minute people like doctors feel undervalued they leave too. The nation spends around £200,000 training them and quite a few flounce off after a few years. Why don’t we criticise them for taking us for a ride? Everyone wants what’s best for them.

@TizerorFizz There is nothing wrong with nom dom, its just that no one ever thought a UK Chancellor would be caught out in that scheme.

On Doctors, if you criticise them for leaving or try and make it harder, then more will leave... So maybe try and make working conditions and pay good enough that folk don't leave? novel idea i know but one the Tories want for bankers....

Sunak was Bojo's choice for Chancellor... nothing he did wasn't run by Bojo, from Furlough to Eat eat to CV support loans... Bojo signed them ALL off.

Sunak isn't a billionaire, nor is his wife.... might be worth checking some basic facts first before pretending you know what your talking about?

Bojo is a comic figure.... if he gets back in (which i think he will) the Tories will be finished as a credible party, good in one way, a disaster in another, implied Govt borrowing already increased on news of BJ's return.

@Alexandra2001 The state pays for doctors. They don’t generate income or employ anyone.Yes, they pay tax like everyone else. Of course we need them but we also need bankers. They pay lots more tax! In fact they are needed for all sorts of reasons. I’m sure you know state pensions are invested in banking products and investments handled by banks. Bankers don’t cost the state £200,000 to train and there are far fewer of them than doctors if you are talking about very high earning ones. They are a convenient target. Try doing without the financial sector and see where it gets us! We need a buoyant banking sector.

Doctors all get jobs after they train. Doctors all get big pensions. Doctors choose to work part time. Doctors retire early as they have pension pots that become liable to tax well before they reach 60. Invested by bankers and paid for in large part by the state. We pay them reasonably well considering the training costs and big pensions.

There’s nothing wrong with Richi’s wife being rich. He should not be barred from anything because of who he married. Any more than a woman should be vilified for who she married. It doesn’t affect his ability. A rich husband doesn’t mean a women should not be allowed to achieve highly either.

Did anyone ever suggest that being married to a rich man made Margaret Thatcher unsuitable as PM ?

Sunak isn't a billionaire, nor is his wife.... might be worth checking some basic facts first before pretending you know what your talking about?

yes you are right, I just checked it’s 730million him and is wife are worth, so not quite a billion. Important point. I’m glad you pointed it out. Makes all the difference.

anyway. Back to the discussion at hand… still no word from either side about their meeting last night or even if either will stand…

@TizerorFizz

Who said i didn't want a banking/financial sector? its a vital part of our economy, paying billions in tax, its also a huge export for the UK too.
But as its so important, it makes brexit a disastrous decision, as its shrinking that sector.

All workers are, in a free society, can leave to work elsewhere, inc abroad, if you want to keep them here, improve working conditions and pay.... as the government has tried to do with bankers with removal of the bonus cap & the failed 45% cut.

@Anniefrenchfry Sorry for my rude response to you, i was a bit pee'd off yesterday.

@Alexandra2001
I quite agree about Brexit. It’s made us poorer. We need to have growth and not frighten anyone off. We need reform to the NHS. It’s hugely expensive to make nearly everything free. Especially when some can pay. We do need to learn from other sensible countries and change. Of course the tax concessions have bitten the dust but if pensions were not taxed for all higher earners, it might help. Doctors see themselves as victims of high tax but working conditions are of course important. But don’t underestimate the working hours of highly paid people and the stresses they endure. Few people get a free ride!

As I remember it, it was seen as an advantage. She was an MP from the 1950s when her children were small, and could afford the best nannies, boarding schools etc. It was probably the one factor which gave her most credibility in those days, when it came to being a member of the cabinet, then elected party leader. It was very much a man's world. Not dissimilar to the Queen - the children were looked after elsewhere while she got on with the job, as a powerful man would.