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ommmward · 04/02/2020 13:14

This is a thread for chit chat, banter, memes and emojis about current politics.

It is NOT intended as a fight club.

It is NOT intended as a place to rehash old arguments about the merits (or otherwise) of Brexit - please pop over to the Brexit forum for that.

Politics threads sometimes attract posters who make personal attacks or who hold their views so very strongly that they find it hard to be respectful of other opinions. Please do not engage with such posters; MN has a handy report button for any posts that fall outside their posting guidelines.

Now, pull up a bar stool, and I'm sure one of our lovely staff will be over with a menu shortly.

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Jason118 · 02/03/2020 22:07

Tory party member arrested for assault

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8066895/Tommy-Robinson-arrested-common-assault-row-Center-Parcs-swimming-pool.html

Such nice people

LittleRootie · 03/03/2020 16:38

Didn't Centre Parcs used to be quite posh?

Not sure what all the blah about blair is for - to emphasise that voters will never go for a left-wing gov? Maybe so, maybe not. These are times of turmoil and change.

Jason118 · 03/03/2020 21:27

Not posh, just pricey.

LittleRootie · 03/03/2020 21:37

TR must be doing alright for himself then

Jason118 · 03/03/2020 21:44

I'm sure he has people 'looking after' him

Doubletrouble99 · 03/03/2020 22:08

Tommy Robinson a Tory Party member! Give me strength.

Jason118 · 03/03/2020 22:46

Apologies, the Tories are so far to the right these days I get confused. Should have said supporter, not member.

LittleRootie · 03/03/2020 22:54

He stated after the GE that he'd joined the Tory party and urged other Britain First members to follow his lead. The Tories claimed he hadn't been accepted as a member and never would be. Who's more likely to lie I wonder..?

Jason118 · 03/03/2020 23:19

Thanks @LittleRootie that explains my confusion. Very much the same thing these days, sadly.

LittleRootie · 03/03/2020 23:43

Actually, i've still got that a bit garbled..

So Paul Golding, leader of Britain First, told members to join the Tory party and claimed to have joined himself.

Tommy Robinson endorsed Boris Johnson during the GE campaign and after the GE said he had joined the Tory party.

Tory HQ claimed that neither had actually been allowed to join the party but the fact that both far-right anti-islamist campaigners felt comfortable endorsing Johnson speaks loud and clear about his Gov.

Doubletrouble99 · 04/03/2020 11:53

As far as I'm concerned as a paid up member of the Conservative party the fact that idiots think it's a good idea to join but were refused/never actually did it at all has nothing to do with Conservatives.
The idea that the conservative party has gone much further right is a fallacy. Johnson is not far right. Just because he wanted Brexit doesn't make him far right.
As for the Labour party and momentum!

Jason118 · 04/03/2020 12:13

You may think that.......

LittleRootie · 04/03/2020 14:34

idiots think it's a good idea to join but were refused/never actually did it at all has nothing to do with Conservatives.

Nothing to do with at all? Nothing to do with the anti-islam issues highlighted by Baroness Warsi? You don't think that anti-islamist tone wouldn't make, say, some other very vocal anti-islamist campaigners feel at home in with the Tories?

And we don't actually know that they didn't join, we've only got the Tories word for that and they're a bunch of liars.

MeganBacon · 04/03/2020 16:16

The idea that the conservative party has gone much further right is a fallacy. Johnson is not far right. Just because he wanted Brexit doesn't make him far right.
Totally true.

Doubletrouble99 · 04/03/2020 16:52

LittleRootie, your argument reminds me of remainers who suggested that if you voted leave you were a racist. So just as then I can safely say that just because some people with abhorrent views voted for the same party as me doesn't make the whole party culpable for their vial views.

Jason118 · 04/03/2020 20:29

Of course it doesn't mean you're a racist. It just makes it more likely.

Jason118 · 04/03/2020 20:30

@MeganBacon you may think that.......

LittleRootie · 04/03/2020 23:10

just because some people with abhorrent views voted for the same party as me doesn't make the whole party culpable for their vial views

Correct. And it's also definitely true to say that you don't have to be on the far right to have voted for Brexit.

But, if pp with racist views have joined the tories, and urged others from their far-right groups to join and if the tories have been accused by several of their own members of having an anti-islam problem and if the leader of that party has shelved an enquiry into those allegations - well, that's a whole lot of circumstantial evidence building up.

So frankly your argument is far weaker than mine

scaryteacher · 08/03/2020 19:42

Let's not forget the pervasive anti semitism of the Labour Party and the whitewash Chakrabati inquiry that turned out to be, well, wrong.

LittleRootie · 08/03/2020 23:43

Yes I suppose that's one way of dealing with racism in the Tory party - talk about the Labour party instead!

HateIsNotGood · 10/03/2020 23:33

Hello? (Hello, hello,)
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone home?

Just giving the place a dust down
and restocking the loo rolls (making
use of the No Deal Brexit preps that
stocked the warehouses).

Anyhoo - for those of us that survive
the viral onslaught - we can be sure
of one thing....

Razor Clams are on The Menu.

scaryteacher · 11/03/2020 17:39

Having an anti Islam problem isn't, as you well know, racist; any more than having a anti Christian problem would be. Muslims, like Christians come in a whole range of differing skin tones and nationalities, and like Christianity, Islam has adherents across the globe.

I don't think it is fair to ignore the very large anti-semitic elephant in the room do you? I don't think the Equality and Human Rights Commission are undertaking an inquiry into the Tories, as they are into Labour. I think that it is something that has to be dealt with by Labour, swiftly and ruthlessly, and then there are other pressing issues for them to address. I have never been less likely to stick a tick beside a Labour name on a ballot paper than I am now, and until they address the anti semitism; the very real concerns of women about the trans lobby; and get short of Momentum, that isn't going to change.

I would also point out that people who traditionally voted Labour also voted for Brexit, so where does that leave your argument?

LittleRootie · 11/03/2020 19:02

Having an anti Islam problem isn't, as you well know, racist

I don't know any such thing. I call it racism, same as anti-semitism is racism. If you want to try to dodge that it's up to you.

I would also point out that people who traditionally voted Labour also voted for Brexit, so where does that leave your argument?
Is that to me? If so, I don't know what you mean. I already said above that voting for Brexit does not make you racist or right wing.

LittleRootie · 17/03/2020 12:21

Amazing that it's only a week since the budget and already it's completely out of date. The expense of Coronavirus is going to wipe all other plans off the board. I'm really hoping it will put an end to the money-sucking monster called HS2

HateIsNotGood · 24/03/2020 20:00

Just popped in to air the place and do the dusting. The log pile is good, Maybe next time I dust I'll light a fire and throw a log or two on too.

FFS - For Forture's Sake.

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