Politics Arms

[ommmward]

This is a thread for chit chat, banter, memes and emojis about current politics.

It is NOT intended as a fight club.

It is NOT intended as a place to rehash old arguments about the merits (or otherwise) of Brexit - please pop over to the Brexit forum for that.

Politics threads sometimes attract posters who make personal attacks or who hold their views so very strongly that they find it hard to be respectful of other opinions. Please do not engage with such posters; MN has a handy report button for any posts that fall outside their posting guidelines.

Now, pull up a bar stool, and I'm sure one of our lovely staff will be over with a menu shortly.

Don't worry scary I know the deal with grockle/emmet divide - jam or cream first - as far as I'm concerned, the only wierd thing is people that don't slather the scone in butter first before deciding their cream/jam order.

The only thing I'm super-judgy about is recycling habits - I have a long list of judgy points on this, which it's too late to expand on now.
But an example:

Just crush your bloody milk containers - not only does it mean you get more stuff in your bin but the recycling lorry can get more in their bins too, saving on journeys.

And they're less likely to blow away off your (uncovered - ahem) bins to make a big mess. It's coastal, so a bit windy - a lot - as you well know. All of this I might actually say aloud one day.

Night All.

I do put butter on mine first to anchor the jam, which is turn anchors the cream, which must be clotted, either Roddas, Trewithen or Langage. The scone must be plain, no fruit.

No recycling bins here, we have 3 or 4 different coloured bags, but no food collection, neither is there what the Belgians call a 'soft' plastic collection (so wrappers from biscuits, wrapping from a bag of spuds etc). In Belgium we could also recycle the sachets that the cat food came in and black plastics, which seems to be impossible in the UK. Milk came in tetrapaks, as did fruit juice, and those could be recycled too.

However, here it gets incinerated and provides heat for houses, so there is a useful result as opposed to landfill.

I like your idea to anchor the jam, scary. How about cream on the bottom AND top, jam in the middle?
Best of both worlds

So interesting how different places in the UK are dealing with waste. We have "food and garden waste", "paper" and "glass and plastic" bins as well as a "non-recyclable". We used to have textiles in with paper but now we have to either treat it as non-recyclable or take it to a central collection point. Most of the West of Scotland Councils have just grouped together to send all the "non-recyclable" to a facility for final reclamation where possible and then incineration with a carbon capture mechanism. Gets them all above 90% not going to landfill but loads of teething issues and they no sooner bed in one system than they change it again and issue yet another set of bins.

Ours do garden waste at certain times of the year. Have never done food waste yet, but I can imagine it would be very difficult to implement due to contamination - even in my small workplace it's seems to be practically impossible to get people to put stuff in the right bins.

They built an incinerator here about 10 years ago and most stuff is going there. I heard a radio 4 prog the other day which basically said that plastic recycling is 'broken' the world over.

In Belgium it differs. In the first gemeente we lived in, you could only put rubbish out in specific bags that you bought, but which were specific to that area and said so on the bag. There were brown bags for all waste, except the PMD (recyclable metal and plastics), which were blue. The he bags were cheap, but the brown bags were and still are expensive. However, it's pay per bag effectively. You are paying for the bags. Cardboard and paper you either took to the tip, or put in a cardboard once a month for collection. If you got the contents of the blue bag wrong, you got a red hand of shame stuck to the bag. I only got one once in 13 years.

The last place we lived was different. We had 4 wheelie bins, two for household waste, one green for garden and food waste, and a yellow one for paper. You still had to buy blue bags for PMD and latterly pink bags for soft plastics. These wheelie bins were collected fortnightly for household and the green bin, monthly for the yellow one, and the blue bags were every three weeks, and the pink ones every five weeks iirc. The wheelie bins were barcoded. They were weighed when emptied, and you got billed every six weeks or so for the weight of your rubbish. The yellow bin was free, as it was paper, still weighed, but not charged. You also got charged for the hire of the bins. This very firmly put lots of the cost on the householder.

Now back in Cornwall, rubbish is weekly, recycling fortnightly. This changes next year to fortnightly for everything, and there will be a food waste collection as well. We are to get wheelie bins too, despite the council saying for decades they weren't possible here. I hate fortnightly collections. I am unsure that it will be possible to deliver the new contract, so I will be watching with interest to see what happens.

I hate wheelie bins with a passion. Fortunately our council doesn't insist on them. There's so much terraced housing with no side access round here.

Some people have a little space at the front of the house where they leave their bins all the time, and they look unsightly. If you don't have space at the front, you have to drag it through the house, or wheel it all the way round by the alleyway, on collection day.

The pavements are narrow, and the bins can stay out all day, obstructing the pavement, if no-one's at home to bring them in when the binmen have been.

Weekly recycling and fortnightly rubbish collections here - wheelie bins I think are used in some areas but impossible here - too steep. I think some councils can't use wheelies until they have the specific lifts on the lorries.

Food bins brought in about 2 years ago - really brilliant - rubbish collections are black bags left in piles, when the food waste went into them - the gulls would tear at them - creating a disgusting mess.

I have to carry my recycling boxes through the house too - it's a pain but I have my own 'system' to mitigate trailing mess through the house.

Completely agree that, globally, the plastic recycling system is broken and see absolutely no reason not to create UK waste processing facilities -recycling 100% of UK plastics. Why not build many of these in the post-industrial wastelands. Why not use our waterways to transport the bulk of the waste to these facilities.

Re the 'Jimmy Krankie' remarks of 'Boris' reported yesterday, I see even the Mail reported it as a 'foul-mouthed rant' - pretty unusual departure from their devotion to all things Johnson.

I wonder if the press briefing scandal has pissed them off finally?

When they said plastic recycling was 'broken' they meant there is far too much to deal with and it's not worth it commercially to recycling companies as the original source plastic is so cheap to produce.

I certainly don't want to see our waterways clogged up with vessels carrying a load of waste, whatever the waste is.

Tame compared to how people are translating the N in SNP today Arse. No-one in Scotland cares what Boris is calling Nippy atm.

They should, it makes him look like a right ignorant bastard (heaven forbid!)

What's the 'N' dare I ask...

Nonce, I imagine.

I think you misunderstand the nature of political discourse in Scotland - google is your friend.

Bit like the confected astonishment about Trump saying bullshit in his speech yesterday. Confirmed my memory of Obama using the term frequently during his tenure with a quick google.

Ah, ok

Of course, on the subject of the Krankie remark, I keep forgetting that being an ignorant bastard is all part of the plan these days, all very 'Trumpian' and so on.

If it's worked for The Donald then you can bet The Boris will be adopting it

The Herald is reporting Boris said no such thing.

We know Boris makes inappropriate and damaging comments - Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. He still hasn’t apologised.

Yes I saw that - odd of them since it's based on Johnson's own denial which, given his reputation as an out and out liar, is totally worthless.

Remember when he flatly denied using the term 'spaffed up the wall' despite it being recorded?

Yes Arse there is too much plastic for the existing facilities globally - which is a very good reason to build more whilst efforts are made to reduce the use of single-use packaging. And build in the UK the recycling facilities that means the UK isn't shipping it's 'recycling' to other counntries.

Waterways can include coastal routes too - and I'm not sure that clogging up our roads with carbon-billowing HGVs transporting our waste around is preferable to using waterways.

I am in current correspondence with my MP about this very issue - not just opining about it on t'net.

Do you mean The Herald is reporting that Downing Street said that Johnson said no such thing? Because Downing Street would say that, wouldn't they?

Or was the Herald actually present at the time Johnson supposedly didn't make those remarks?

Makes no difference to my point Baileys which was in relation to the claim that Boris' use of course language privately was Trumpian. Using course language in public for effect is Trumpian but having a private conversation leaked is not imo. Thinking about it, Boris usually makes a point of being a bit more creative with his insults and doesn't hesitate to speak first and apologise, or not, later. More likely that Trump learned from him although Trump is generally less creative.

Is this worse than Boris calling JC a mutton headed old mugwump publicly in print?

If you think Boris a knickname, in common parlance, in a private conversation is beyond the pale then you have never walked past a YES / SNP / anti-Brexit rally.

It can't really be called a private conversation if it's in cabinet or some other meeting - the article doesn't make it clear.

Certainly, in terms of abuse it's not as bad as you'd hear at a rally but the point is who is saying it and the type of extremely belittling language that is so telling.

I don't doubt Sturgeon has her own choice nickname for our dear PM

Wee Jimmy Krankie is a Scottish institution. Some might treat it as a compliment of the highest order.

I am actually pretty impressed that Boris, if this is true, knows who she is. That's why I doubt it. Even better if he actually prefaced it with the F word as, in contrast to Ken Clarke using "bloody" in reference to TM, Scots tend to stick to proper expletives.

Knows who Jimmy Krankie is or Nicola Sturgeon?

Surely everyone over about 40 has had the nightmarish Krankies seared into their consciousness??

Boris seems to speak for the common man.
Good on him..