Shy tory

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Any shy tories out there?
Just to get this straight - I believe in helping people just not people being forced/paid to help people. If it doesn't come from the heart it's not worth having.
I feel like people don't think I like people. On the contrary. I believe the benefit system keeps poor people poor.
Self interest is healthy and only when you have everything you need can you give to other people.
I just thinks it makes for a better society.

I can see why Tory supporters would be shy now. You don't deserve the hatred and spite being thrown at you, OP. You're entitled to your viewpoint as much as anyone else. Thank goodness for the anonymous ballot; we can feel free to have the confidence of our own beliefs free from sneering critics like the people on this post. The ironic thing the hard left don't appreciate is that people find this kind of vitriol really off-putting. Both sides seem to be competing to be the nasty party at the moment, and in the meantime what suffers is democratic debate. Personally, I advocate passionate defence of the middle ground.

I believe the benefit system keeps poor people poor

I totally agree with you. I am a disabled single parent who Is unable to work due to my disabilities, and the benefits I get are shockingly low.

I am kept poor by the Tory party and its supporters demonizing the sick. I won't ever be able to work, even if you waggle a million pounds cheque in front of my face.

So thanks for voting to keep me, and more importantly my DD, poor.

Leafy - so do I but the centre does not hold. I am neither a conservative or a labour party voter. I vote for the lesser evil. I think the way the left are behaving at the moment is far worse than the right. It's like choosing to eat pee or poo.

I'm sorry mslucy but imagine I gave you £100 per week and mr jones down the road was working for £100 per week. It wouldn't be fair.

How are the left behaving worse than a party that is cutting things beyond the bone for no reason other than ideology! How is that helping? Genuine question. The Tories are solely responsible for the utter quagmire of poo that is currently disrupting any chance of dealing with actual issues. Actually that is unfair. David Cameron is responsible. It would be vastly unfair to blame people like Ken Clarke for this. I have no problem with Tories in general. There is much to be said for their pre-Maggie model. Not much of that left though. Also, it's not your voting Tory I object to. It's your justifying it through greed and selfishness. And then you say you're minimum wage? How on Earth is voting Tory going to improve anything for you?

I believe in helping people just not people being forced/paid to help people. If it doesn't come from the heart it's not worth having.

But then you get the Victorian situation of those in need being forced to rely on charity. Which is often linked to the concept of "deserving" poor - who gets to decide who is deserving? What if a charitable benefactor doesn't agree with supporting single mothers?

In the US they have very little state-based support and a much bigger concept of "community" giving. And just look at the dire poverty and inequality there is in the world's richest country.

Personally, I think the Northern European social democratic model is fairest and generally leads to more equality of wealth.

Most people on benefits are in work.

I'm sorry mslucy but imagine I gave you £100 per week and mr jones down the road was working for £100 per week. It wouldn't be fair.

Where is the unfairness in supporting people who are unable to work? Dear God, do people actually go around sort of, well, for lack of a better term, thinking like this and letting that degree of meanness and pettiness govern their vote? I'm happy I have the ability to work and want to live in a society where we don't let people starve when they are unable to work because 'It's not fair!!!!!'

SMH.

The problem is practically all Tory party policies lead to inequality or less social mobility. Even in education, the poorest funded areas are Tory safe seats. (And this isn't because they are rich areas, so God knows why).
Inequality leads to division and tribes and therefore crime. There is loads of research about how austerity leads to inequality and how poverty in an unequal society leads to crime.
Areas with high poverty have low social capital and more dangerous crime e.g. knife crime.
If you feel undated about you start not to care.
It's almost like society was an experiment for the last few Tory governments. Less see how far we can go until society breaks.

Undated should be uncared for....
But I imagine that's true too...

I'm sorry mslucy but imagine I gave you £100 per week and mr jones down the road was working for £100 per week. It wouldn't be fair.

But letting people starve and become homeless is perfectly fair?

Oh, yes, Theworld. I've lived in countries with big disparities. You don't make people unpoor by making them poorer, no means to change that and beating them with sticks. You just make them desperate and angry and resentful and then you wind up with countries like S. Africa or Venezuela where live in effective fortresses and in fear of your life a lot because crime is so bad.

if I was a millionaire I know I'd want to be a billionaire

Why? Wouldn't it make more sense to learn to be content with the amount you've got?

Great article by Matthew D'Ancona today about everything that is wrong about today's Tory party. And he is a Conservative, although he is writing for the Guardian. He's former editor of the right-wing Spectator.

53rd way. Who are you to tell me what I should do?
Content. Why isn't everyone here content with a tory government that doesn't give them anything? Exactly.

Thanks dippy - i am not for one minute defending teresa may. I despise her. But she is better than corbyn.

53rdWay, you know trying to teach a dog to read is a pointless endeavour ?

I can't stand either May or Corbyn - I usually vote Lib Dems. But in a towsy-uo between the two I'd vote for a Corbyn government. He's about the nuttiest the Labour Party have got, the party itself has got some decent MPs, while TM is actually a fairly reasonable Tory in comparison to some of the horrors lurking on the right of the party.

toss-up

Nah teresa may's evil is in doing nothing.
Jeremy corbyn would destroy.

Content. Why isn't everyone here content with a tory government that doesn't give them anything? Exactly.

I'm mostly concerned because they're making life harder for other people, I'm on an average salary and not struggling myself. I could sit in my normal-size house sobbing that I don't have four mansions and a yacht I suppose but it seems like an odd way to spend my time.

Still, good luck with your "millionaires need more money!" platform! I didn't think it was possible for the Tories to run a worse campaign than GE2017 but reach for the stars.

I get why Tory's are feeling shy
There's a whole lot of crazy on the left right now

Time for a change

So we'll get a really unhinged left wing instead of a really unhinged right wing

There are people who died for my right to vote so please give me something worth voting for!

I get the impression you are quite young, OP. You have a lot to learn, and a lot of personal growth to get through. Maybe then you can add compassion to your ambition. And realise that the relentless acquisition of money and material goods is not the path to happiness or enlightenment.

I am 32 and I have been working in the poorest places in the UK . I've seen money thrown at people and it doesn't make things better.

I did have compassion but it was thrown in my face. People I tried to help. Only dragged me down with them.