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stillamum22 · 07/08/2018 18:59

I'm just appalled by his comments on the Burka. In my opinion there's no barrel he won't scrape to get backing from sections of the British population to be leader of the Tory party. Really is Boris reflecting Brits opinions or just a nasty potty mouth racist? I'm curious to get the opinion of the good women of MN

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Dottierichardson · 08/08/2018 14:13

Plus my grandma and my mother frequently told me to cover up, wear less tight trousers and so on...and they're atheists. Isn't it what grandmas do?

Bombardier25966 · 08/08/2018 14:29

We need to stop trivialising Johnson's actions and see him for the manipulative narcissist that he is. He's not clumsy or an oaf, these aren't even comments made off the cuff, he knew exactly what he was saying and why he was saying it.

The local elections earlier in the year saw a swing from UKIP to the Tories and that is the type of voter he wants to appeal to. Immigration and Islamophobia is their bread and butter. Expect it to get worse before it gets better.

ASliceOfArcticRoll · 08/08/2018 14:43

Hairbrush deleted.

Dottierichardson · 08/08/2018 14:45

Bombardier totally agree with you, really dreading the thought of a Tory party that's led by Boris, particularly as Labour are not proving an effective opposition.

Dottierichardson · 08/08/2018 15:37

My personal thoughts about the burqa are that the female Muslim community is diverse, some choose to wear signs of their faith of various kinds (have to say Burqa seems pretty rare have seen it more in tourist areas) some don’t wear any symbols There are a host of women in the UK Muslim community who are more than able to speak for themselves plus the issue of clothing is widely debated in the wider female Muslim community online/in books/articles/websites/telly/radio. It seems therefore inappropriate to impose on that community from outside. Should not these women, like all women, be given the space to decide on these issues themselves? If there are women who are being forced to wear burqas – and I haven’t read enough research on this to know if that’s even the case in the UK – and a representative lobby asks for assistance, fine.

In addition, if it’s true that there are UK Muslim women not allowed out in public without certain items of clothing, would not banning these items reinforce the very thing that, it’s claimed, others posting here want to prevent? Might not a ban effectively mean that such women are excluded from public life, not able to go out at all, how will that be of real use to these women?

Finally it's a dangerous time for Muslim women who wear any item that singles out their faith, many have been viciously attacked, only last year a pregnant Muslim woman in Bletchley was so savagely assaulted she lost her baby, the man who attacked her made sure to ridicule her outfit while kicking her stomach. Women who are in public wearing any outward symbol of Islam are brave, they deserve support they certainly don’t deserve to be ridiculed, Boris Johnson should be ashamed of his words and he should be disciplined to the full extent possible for reinforcing this kind of attitude, words can literally hurt in this area.

stillamum22 · 08/08/2018 17:34

Dottierichardson excellent post and couldn't agree with you more. I would hope that where there are repressive attitudes and coercion that the community support one another and such issues are addressed intelligently. Simply abusing women in this way will not relieve the situation and will normalise the abuse that many minorities are experiencing. I also feel strongly that Trump Bannon Boris et al are all testing their extreme views out bit by bit. After all Trump can get away with condoning Charlottesville, and caging children ... well perhaps out home grown racists will test out what we'll let them get away with too. How many people in the Conservative party will stand up against BJ?

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Xenia · 08/08/2018 17:35

It is certainly vital that feminists in the UK stand up for the rights of women not to be forced to wear clothing like this and hope through persuasion to ensure women realise it is a sign of their opression by men and invented Gods.

Like BJ however I would not ban it. that he is being criciticised when what he said was don't ban it just show how much people want to stir things up against him. As for women looking silly in it of course they do and we all know that but they can look like that if they want and we can say what we want just as people can say I look silly in my clothes if they want to - we don't give a hoot. We are made of very strong stuff.

Xenia · 08/08/2018 17:37

Ken Clarke - another wise politician on the burka
"It’s a most peculiar costume for people to adopt in the 21st century"

And another wise one Sadiq Khan:

“When I was younger you didn’t see people in hijabs and niqabs, not even in Pakistan when I visited my family. In London we got on. People dressed the same. What you see now are people born and raised here who are choosing to wear the jilbab or niqab. There is a question to be asked about what is going on in those homes. What’s insidious is if people are starting to think it is appropriate to treat women differently or that it has been forced on them. What worries me is children being forced to adopt a lifestyle. Should women be permitted to cover their faces in London? It’s not for me to tell women what to wear. But I do think that in public service we should be able to see each other’s faces. Eye contact matters. You should be able to see the face.”

hungryants · 08/08/2018 18:34

The Press is all over Labour and Corbyn for being anti Semitic but Johnson is openly racist and there's not nearly the same outcry !

woodhill · 08/08/2018 18:36

Why was Hairbrushes post deleted?

That is scary

hungryants · 08/08/2018 18:37

He's also practicing Trump politics where you just say outrageous stuff and get loads of publicity. It seems irrelevant that it's openly racist or sexist or blatant lies, his mug gets to be front page and that's what counts.

ASliceOfArcticRoll · 08/08/2018 18:44

Wrong think. Memory holed.

zsazsajuju · 08/08/2018 18:47

It was a calculated statement designed to curry favour with those who like to ridicule Muslims (and usually anyone else they see as different). I don’t wear a burqua and I don’t want to buy that doesn’t mean others should be picked on. In my religion (Judaism) it tends to be the men who look noticeably different. Should we make fun of them for wearing a little hat? Or having a beard?

Or are we grown ups?

campion · 08/08/2018 18:58

Wise words indeed Xenia but, as usual, this 'debate' will produce more heat than light.

Saying what we want only seems to work if we say what those who shout loudest want to hear.

I'm certainly no apologist for BJ but he has a right to say what he did. The faux hysteria suggests he's not the only one with an agenda.

MistressDeeCee · 08/08/2018 19:25

Why is it "faux hysteria" - (there it is again, the 'H' word reserved for when women are speaking).

You've a right to say what you like but it's strange to be sour that we don't all agree with an attention seeking loudmouthed bigot.

Freezepeach Free Tommeh mentality - say as you please if it's racist.

Like Boris or any of the Islamaphobes complaining about the Burka give a single shiny shit about the rights and well-being of the Muslim women that they hate.

MistressDeeCee · 08/08/2018 19:32

When I was younger you didn’t see people in hijabs and niqabs, not even in Pakistan when I visited my family. In London we got on

I was born in Tower Hamlets. Grew up there, went to school there.

The Muslim population in TH is large. So of course we saw women in hijabs/niqabs. I don't know what planet Sadiq Khan lived on if he's saying he 'didnt see' but I imagine he didn't visit East London.

He generalises about the meaning of Niqab..in turn bigots generalise about him being Muslim..ever decreasing circles. Or swings & roundabouts, maybe

GoldenWonderwall · 08/08/2018 19:42

As a public representative, boris should keep his objectionable opinions to himself - how do the women who wear burkas in his constituency feel when he uses them to appeal to racists and as a punchline when he is their representative in parliament? Does he give a fuck, no he does not. And everyone nodding along with him does not give one shiny shite about the emancipation of Muslim women. They just want someone to look down on and take the piss out of. Punch up, not down.

dementedma · 08/08/2018 19:43

personally I dislike seeing women swathed in the burka - and have taught many of them - as the Koran only states that women should "dress modestly". the burka is imposed by men to restrict the freedom of Muslim women. We had lots of interesting discussions on it in class.
so, in that sense, i agree with Boris. (never thought I would write that)

However, those who call him an idiot and a buffoon are wrong. I ahve met him. He is shrewd, cunning and very intelligent. The clown like persona masks a very sharp mind and that makes him dangerous, not stupid

tillytoodles1 · 08/08/2018 19:46

They look awful. Why can't men be covered up too? xxxx

Xenia · 08/08/2018 19:48

Mistrees., SK will be more my age and you are probably a fair bit younger. There has been a massive change. We only used to see the full burka on people over from Saudi in the summer, often women in Harrods and the like and around that area. It genuinely is more of a new trend. Often older mothers despair their daughters have adopted it as they see it as a new trend in the UK and elsewhere.

i have noticed a big increase in its being worn and like BJ I have no problem with women wearing it and do not want English law changed but I have a right to say what I think about it just as women who support wearing it have their right to say their piece too. That's a free country for you.

BJ is pretty good for this country and very popular and certainly not racist. He supports the right of women to wear the burka . I don't agree with his having gone over to the Brexit cause but that is an issue that has divided Labour into two and the Tories and indeed the country into two.

CraftyGin · 08/08/2018 19:57

As a public representative, boris should keep his objectionable opinions to himself

Do you think this about all representatives? Don’t we want them to have opinions?

hairbrushhead · 08/08/2018 20:04

@Dottierichardson it sure why I got deleted none of what I said was untrue.
Either way it just goes to show you’re not allowed to state actual facts without being told you’re the one that’s got a problem.

Rebecca36 · 08/08/2018 20:11

It's quite ridiculous when you consider the tiny proportion of Muslim women who do wear a burqa.

This is quite an interesting article:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45112792

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 08/08/2018 20:13

In what way is Boris Johnson good for this country?

Biologifemini · 08/08/2018 20:18

It isn’t a Muslim item of clothing. It is cultural. And it is a minority. Very few Muslims wear the burka.
It isn’t about dressing modestly at all.
It is an item of clothing that has only taken off very recently. Boris is an idiot and he has got exactly the reaction he wanted: more attention.

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