Since the Grenfell tower incident, how do you feel about the Conservatives?

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Since the Grenfell tower incident, how do you feel about the Conservatives?

I ask as Theresa May is very unpopular especially from this incident, so is this bad blood felt for Theresa May herself, as Prime Minister do you think she should of have done more?
Or do you think it's the Conservatives as a whole to blame? and why
......let the discussion begin!

Just reaffirms my already held belief that they care very little about the poor. I've seen absolutely nothing over the past four days that has made me think anything different.

Their response to this has been appalling.

It's confirmed my very low opinion of the Conservatives and of Theresa May.

Crosswordsalad, what is your opinion on the smearing of the newly elected Labour MP?
Are you happy that lies are being spread about Jeremy Corbyn's voting record?
Do you accept that the so-called riots this week were nothing of the kind and were certainly not stoked up by anyone out to cause trouble?

Do you think this article might have some bearing on the right-wing activity of the last few days, both on this site and elsewhere:

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/exposing-copy-n-paste-tory-lies-about.html?m=1

Politicising the tragedy? It's inescapably political. Dozens and dozens of poor people died because of a combination of government cost-cutting, outsourcing and indifference. The tenants had been warning of imminent tragedy for years and been either ignored or actively silenced and disempowered by cuts to legal aid and threads of legal action against them. What part of the word 'political' do you find hard to understand?!!! It sickens me to the core that this tragedy could be considered anything but a profoundly political one. As for May, she is utterly beneath contempt.

My contempt for all politicians has risen exponentially this week. I can't believe I was so naive to believe that people living in council housing in the 21st century were so badly let down. As for the initial response. What a fucking disaster. The Government are completely out of touch.

I voted Tory and would do again. Jeremy Corbyn talking about requisitioning houses and playing fairy godfather. No thanks.

Crosswordsalad, what is your opinion on the smearing of the newly elected Labour MP?

I haven't heard or read any. I have read that she was on K&C Council for some time and that she was on the KCTMO board some years ago. I'm not aware that these are untrue.

Are you happy that lies are being spread about Jeremy Corbyn's voting record?

No, I'm not. I think lies and half truths are really unhelpful.

Do you accept that the so-called riots this week were nothing of the kind and were certainly not stoked up by anyone out to cause trouble?

I'm not aware that there were any riots. My understanding is that there have been a couple of demos in central London, but as far as I know, these went off without trouble. Despite people like Owen Jones trying to drum up protestors when TM was meeting people to discuss the disaster and relief work, I heard no more about that so presume there was no trouble. I believe K&C town hall was invaded by protestors. I think this must have been pretty terrifying for the staff, but I don't even know if there were any arrests, and I certainly wouldn't call it a riot.

Tbh I'm not really sure why you are asking me to confirm that something I haven't said has happened hasn't happened.

I do however believe there were people who have been trying to use the protests and the whole disaster for their own political ends, as I posted above.

Do you think this article might have some bearing on the right-wing activity of the last few days, both on this site and elsewhere

I don't quite understand your question. People try to get accurate information, on the whole. Some people (prob on left and right) are happy to share information which they either know to be false, or don't have a reasonable reason to believe. It's not good that people do this. I don't. I am very careful about not eg retweeting info I think is probably not true or suspect.

What I would say is that the whole party politicisation of this disaster has been awful. Of course people directly involved will be distraught, angry etc, etc. But there is no need for other people to try to use this disaster for political ends. It would have been better if all the vitriolic finger pointing was put on hold until the facts are know. Unfortunately once this kind of thing starts, eg using the fire to say all Tories are scum etc, then people are going to try to put the other side of the story. It would be much better, more constructive and better for our society if we didn't respond to tragedies in this way, in my view.

I can't believe I was so naive to believe that people living in council housing in the 21st century were so badly let down. That was badly worded. I can't believe that people in social housing didn't have basic safety measures in place. Tory and Labour politicians at all levels have let people down- for decades.

It's made me feel sorry for her to be honest. I don't think she's reacted or handled herself any worse than any other politician in her current position who can't do anything right. I think bypassing emotional victims was a wise decision to be honest as what would it have achieved? Just an outlet for anger rather than the applause the Queen received!

This disaster has been totally unprecedented. Regardless of the cause (which isn't TM/Conservatives' fault), how is it expected that anyone would know what to do in the immediate aftermath? It's been less than 5 days... realistically, what would people expect to have happened? (Genuine question!)

I think TM had had an incredibly difficult time lately with great terrorist attacks, Brexit and now the horrendous Grendel fire. I don't think she responded well, but I believe it was thought her safety was at risk. She is one person and can't be in multiple places at once.

I don't hold the Conservatives solely responsible, Labour is also implicated. Mistakes have been made but I don't think they should all lie at TM's door.

Personally I think she's on her way out. Who will replace her though is worrying. I wouldn't change the way I voted though.

That should of course read Grenfell fire. Apologies.

I think TM has done ok. She's been in a difficult position after the election (she didn't need to call).

I can't bear Jeremy Corbyn. He's like a slimy toad, conjuring up slippery support on the back of an horrendous disaster. Yuk.

I think what annoys me most is that recommendations have been sent to government ministers from the coroner in the last incident and if acted upon this disaster may not have happened.

Then Hammond has supposed to have said today that the classic is already illegal in holdings over 18m?

So really not sure wtf to believe anymore.

Cladding and buildings.

But still don't think TM has handled this well she lacks the personal touch.

Said on radio that this partic. cladding is not allowed according to existing UK regulations anyway.

It's going to take a long while to pin down all the things that went wrong; I don't see national Tory party as a big bearer of the blame, though. May hasn't spoke well since the fire, but I don't see what she can or should do other than try to sound sympathetic. Labour party when in power probably could have done things, too, that could have prevented all the factors that made this tragedy happen.

I still think they are a bunch of utter

"Regardless of the cause (which isn't TM/Conservatives' fault)"

The tories have cut legal aid. With legal aid the tenants would have had a chance at a legal challenge to the council/management company when their concerns were not responded to. They tried but did not have enough funds.

The tories have voted down measures aimed at regulating fire safety in social housing.

The tories have fostered a climate in which outsourcing vital services to private companies who then cut spending to the bone. The better fire-proof cladding would have cost, from a government perspective, pennies extra - no time to look it up now, but of the order of 5000 pounds. That is NOTHING.

David Cameron is on record as wanting to cut health and safety 'red tape' to the minimum. That is tory dogma - cutting the things that make us safer as a society and leaving them to the mercy of the market. It doesn't work. Time and time again we see the ways in which it doesn't work.

In what way is it not the tories fault?!

David Cameron said he was determined to stamp out the health and safety culture and the Tories have presided over soft touch regulation for years.
I'm sorry but social housing and a crap deal for poor people IS a political issue. I don't think Labour have politicised it. They've just shown some compassion, which TM is sorely lacking

In what way is it not the tories fault?

You're just stringing together a bunch of conclusions in a way to suit the argument. You cannot solely place blame a political party for this disaster. They didn't have anything to do with the chain of events that led to the fire starting. Many decisions made that in time will be released that may or may not have affected the outcomes of the fire will be attributable to many parties - the contractor, the council, the TMO, individuals, 999 call handlers - cannot be blamed on the ruling Government at the time of the fire.

I think she's been appalling

I think there is a definite chain of causation linking to RBKC/KCTMO. They have treated people in the North of the Borough and the Labour wards in particular with utter sneering contempt over many years.

How dare people try and blame Emma Dent Coad, the new Labour MP when she has tried to help people in Golbourne - she was elected because of her excellent reputation in fighting for people's rights.

Same as before - I absolutely despise them. I strongly disagree with the criticism of May's apparent lack of feeling and the implication that she can't do her job because of that. I genuinely do have a swinging brick myself but this has never affected my ability to do any job. Can you only be PM if you are over-emotional now?

It has made me think even worse of Labour than I already did. Look at Corbyn's cynical photo op, after which he disappeared from the scene. Or the gleeful attempts at point-scoring of a number of Labour MPs. As for the current Kensington MP, words fail me. She should be personally coordinating the effort, overseeing the rehousing and so on. But she isn't. What is the point of her? She found time to write a Guardian article basically saying 'not me Guv' though.

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Yes I agree re the new MP. She was invisible. I assumed she was away or something until I saw her with Corbyn.

I don't think any differently about the cons

However I'm developing a lot of distain for aquaintances who are labour fans who seem to think that this wouldn't have happened under labours watch! Labour didn't exactly revolutionise social housing last time they were in power did they?

I hate the Tory Council even more. I think TM is fatally wounded and has no judgement or social skills.

I doubt this would have happened if North Kensington was part of Hammersmith or Brent.

I don't feel any differently about them, this awful tragedy adds deaths to those caused by the austerity including the changes in disability benefits, the cuts to the NHS and social care and universal credit.

The Tories have done no more no less than labour would have done.

I still think there more than enough being done to assist those affected.