Since the Grenfell tower incident, how do you feel about the Conservatives?

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Since the Grenfell tower incident, how do you feel about the Conservatives?

I ask as Theresa May is very unpopular especially from this incident, so is this bad blood felt for Theresa May herself, as Prime Minister do you think she should of have done more?
Or do you think it's the Conservatives as a whole to blame? and why
......let the discussion begin!

The new K and C MP was a Labour councillor for the ward in which Grenfell Tower sits. Emma DC. What did she actually do for these people? Nothing - she's doing nothing now. She will be seen as useless. There were 10 Labour Councillors at K and C and what did they achieve? How did they improve the lives of their voters? Campaigning is not the same as getting results. They appear to have been wholly a waste of space.

Regarding Labour and building - they introduced private design and build for schools and hospitals. How quickly people forget!

Proud that Theresa May isn't a hand-wringing, populist, whinger attempting to trade on peoples grief.

Tanith Perhaps you could give your opinion on this incident, when a volunteer at Grenfell Tower was attacked at the K&C town hall?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/18/tory-councillor-beaten-grenfell-tower-protesters-revealed-volunteer/

I'm neither a labour nor a conservative voter (lib dem) but think there are two points to this.

I don't believe that it's the conservatives fault in general that there was a fire which escalated out of control. I live in Glasgow where the council has been controlled from the year dot by Labour until the SNP took over this year, and buildings are clad in exactly the same way. The political point scoring is appalling, all this tories hate poor people and want them all dead rubbish.

On a personal level, Theresa May doesn't come across as very warm and compassionate. Think what you like about Blair and Cameron, they both had the knack of connecting with people and making them believe they were being heard. May comes across are highly competent, but quite remote. She's lacking the "touchy-feely" gene. Not a bad thing to be leader of the country, but you need someone to show some emotion when something like this happens.

I've found the k&c council's failure to provide visible leadership as gobsmacking as theresa may's, tbh. I am not a fan of the conservatives or may, but I keep wondering what on earth they are thinking. Sending out a press statement to a crowd of angry people? That was what kicked off at the council chambers, when an actual human being acknowledging people's anger might have well helped calm the situation. No providing of centralised co-ordination of relief which they managed in Haiti within 48 hours. I keep reading excerpts and wondering what on earth is wrong with them? No leadership from the (conservative) council or may really. At least Sadiq Khan turned up and let people yell at him.

Causes wise it seems to be a result of a particular kind of post capitalism which is mostly conservative but new labour got in on. Outsource, defund, social housing is undesirable and people living there are not vulnerable but at fault for being poor (because how else can we explain economic inequality, it must be a personal failing). It's not Party political.

I would have hoped that this would wake people up a bit to question that ideology, but it seems more that everyone's going to focus on it being someone's (mays) fault. It's a collective responsibility we have but y'know sure, torys are bad.

Macarena - the touchy-feely stuff is the Royal families job I think.

Blair took us into an illegal war and Cameron caused the referendum so empathic politicians seem to be a waste of space. In saying that Brown was as bad an as lacking in empathy as you can get.

Corbyn would be worse than useless in a crisis. Probably great afterwards but still useless. I imagine Corbyn in charge at the Iranian embassy siege - all the hostages would be dead and he would still be saying "just talk to them".

BubblesBuddy
Why don't you check your facts before spouting shit

MacarenaFerreiro
If you lived in Kensington and watched the local council in action you would have a different view.

Macarena - the touchy-feely stuff is the Royal families job I think

Displaying empathy is a required skill for a PM. The public seem to think so too, esp the displaced residents. She doesn't need to sob and hug, she can do as the Queen does and offer a bit of sincere stiff upper lip support.

Displaying empathy is a required skill for a PM

Nope it isn't. Churchill, Thatcher, Brown - not a hint of empathy
Blair could fake it.

I don't want empathy from a PM I want competent action. We aren't Americans - the PM is not a president.

Churchill?

Er, Churchill turned up to sympathise with the people in the East End who lost their homes in the Blitz. They heckled and swore at him but he still turned up. Because it's what's expected of Prime Ministers.

But at least May has you fighting her corner. God knows she needs at least one person.

Since moving to a safe Tory seat 14 years ago I've been a floating voter but voted Conservative this year and in 2015.

I won't next time because of the extreme disregard for life allowed here. I won't vote Labour again until JC and Momentum are gone as they're currently showing their true trade union thug colours stirring both front of stage and behind the scenes.

For those talking about legal action, please see article below by housing lawyers explaining that Grenfell Tower residents had few avenues of legal redress available to them. This is because the law provides for tenants to take action once failures/negligence have occurred, but not for pre-emptive action.

www.legalvoice.org.uk/legal-lacuna-prevented-grenfell-tower-residents-taking-action/

NB: I'm not saying legal aid cuts are a good thing, they're clearly not as they limit access to justice , but as the article indicates, they may not have been the main barrier to legal action for Grenfell Tower residents.

She's got a lot on her plate today.

I don't want empathy from a PM I want competent action.

Both is ideal - you can get away with one or the other, but if you offer neither this makes you a bit of a liability.

The main problem with May is that she is useless.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/labour-lib-dems-much-blame-tories-grenfell-tower/

Yes, Kensington and Chelsea is a Conservative-controlled borough but it turns out that is was far from alone in cladding its tower blocks with flammable cladding. Today, it emerges that five blocks in Labour-controlled Camden have also been clad with a similar material, which is now to be removed as quickly as possible

There you go again in support of your Tory masters, while conveniently ignoring the contempt with which council tenants are viewed in Kensington, which is at the root of this.

The point is that Camden didn't ignore the safety concerns of residents of the tower blocks for many years, threaten those who complained and aim to redevelop their council estates for profit.

Come to leafy North Kensington and see how our library and other public buildings are being handed over to private schools, our nurseries closed, our local park being turned into an all weather pitch for private schools..

Nobody is my master, thanks Cat I am a free citizen in a democracy and my views are my own.

If you want to stick to the simple narrative that it's all the fault of "The Tories" even when the same unsuitable materials have been used by Labour administrations, do carry on.

I don't feel any differently. I think they've handled the last two years badly. And at some point they've got to stop blaming everyone else, they've been in power for 7 years.
My tory MP tried to blame labour for the dire education funding in our area, out and out lied. It was a decision by a conservative led council.
Haven't got a backbone between them.

I have gone off the Conservatives.

To me, Grenfell smacks of something I've seen elsewhere regarding local authorities, central govt and care homes.

It goes like this: Central Govt say to Councils; 'Okay, you don't get the ministerial car, subsidised bar and office overlooking the Thames. On the other hand, you are anonymous, you have complete lack of accountability, a job for life - unlike us - and you can have power over people's lives - you can harass them with impunity. Off you go!'

In turn, when putting issues such as adult social care out to tender, the Council can go to the care home provider: 'Okay, here's how it works. You give us a good deal on adult social care, you can make a great profit, and we'll promise to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing!'

The result is a disaster for the public at large, but in most cases, the local authority won't get found out, and anyhow, the complaints process is so tortuous, they've rigged it so you won't get anywhere.

The Conservatives do seem to have this 'privatisation - actually monopoly' thing worked out, but tbf Rotherham Council, which was Labour-dominated, were just as scandalous as Chelsea and Kensington. We are basically talking about a bunch of white-collar thugs who know they can get away with it. If it is dominated by Conservatives, or Labour, it is likely to be out of control.