Genuine question for Tory voters

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Really not asking this in a goady way- I just want to know if anyone has changed their mind over the last few days of TM refusing to do any interviews/debates. I don't think Rudd did anything positive for the Conservative party with her appearance on the debate the other night and what I have seen of TM, she seems like she might actually be having a bit of a breakdown?

God this thread is depressing. So many mumsnetters who obviously don't care about the 4 million children in poverty in this country, or about their mums who are presenting at their gp's (when they can get an appointment) with malnutrition. Or the disabled people who have had their benefits cut. Have a little compassion.

Even if Corbyn achieves only half of what he promises, those of us really struggling will be so much better off.

TV debates really are unimportant, they always descend into "let's rip apart whoever is in power" so it is by-the-by that she did not take part.

THIS election is about BREXIT - it is about getting us out of Europe with as little stress as possible. The election was called to give May the mandate to do just that. It is ALL about BREXIT. We know her views, we know what she wants.

A decent deal for the UK.

Corbyn... hey ho does he really not get that if we are not prepared to walk away we will NOT get a good deal, Farron, Sturgeon, omg no...

I just wish the "manifesto" stuff was saved til after BREXIT. BREXIT is THE most important thing happening in this term.

Still voting for May. Debates are an American import, executed poorly here in the UK.

I do feel that all the labour money tree promises are this elections equivalent of the Brexit bus. £350 million to the NHS. It was all worked out and costed wasn't it? Oh wait, no.
I wouldn't be human if I wasn't tempted by having my student DC £100k+ debt written off, along with all the other goodies.
Also the costings, such as they are, won't take account of huge pay rises that unions will want (not unreasonabley) for their support.

Magical is spot on especially on the example of selling your house. I have a relative who is selling an expensive house in SE. She is roaring mad with each estate agent as they fail to even get an offer for the house. She took the highest valuation and tbh its a lovely house but the house is worth what someone will pay for it (don't you just hate people who use this expresson when you are trying to sell your OWN house!).

Labour scare the life out of me. All of their promises will directly affect me, pension, uni fees, free social care, free NHS, money for everyone (for the better!) and I cannot see it working. It will bankrupt us. John Mcdonnell is very left thinking although I always think they spout off nonsense and then do the complete opposite for themselves, Diane Abbott I am looking at you.

Like others it's Labour's front bench - WTF? It's not even the views... it's the fact that it consists of what was left to pick from when everyone else distanced themselves from the hard left. How embarrassing to be represented by some seriously thick people.

I am dithering, I am usually a Tory, but I am not keen on Labour, Green party it is then, just to get my vote in.

I voted remain and I am interested in the views of IFS. I am not a right wingers but doesn't mean I have to vote Corbyn.

Maybe debate just isn't that important.

(Dunno how to paste link but you get the gist without pressing on it)

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bbc-debate-britains-got-talent-ratings-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-a7766471.html%3Famp

Nope, hasn't changed my vote. I actually like May, I think she's pretty measured. I think Corbyn is ok too, but I laugh in the face of the Labour manifesto. It's a joke.
Complete fantasy land. Brexit needs to be negotiated on the best possible terms for the country and I think May is our best bet for that.

I didn't think it would be long before someone came out and said about the children in poverty and the disabled. Even if you don't vote Labour doesn't mean that you don't have compassion..

Still, lets see what happens next week. My view is that there are shy tories and the left rent a crowd on social media are out in force just like last time but there are people who quietly vote for who they think is most capable of taking us out of Europe. Do you really think JC and DA have the skills and experience to do this and get a good deal??

I don't think they have run the best campaign ever, not by far, but I live in total fear of any other party trying to run the country. (Having lived and worked through the 70s, the 3-day week and the power of the unions.)

This.

The hard left faction has been notably quiet recently but if Labour get in this is what we have to worry about. And if you don't remember the 70s, google it.

BeyondThePage
This ^
Right wing does not equal Brexit supporter.
I'm far from right wing. I voted for Michael Foot, arguably the most left wing Labour leader ever. He was a decent man though. I'm just not prepared to risk the future of this country on Jeremy Corbyn and John MacDonnell. If pretty much anyone else was leader I'd vote for them.

Foxychox - the 3 day week was under the Tories

You probably should have aimed this thread at swing voters. Politics is so tribal these days that there is very little that May or Corbyn could do that would stop Conservative and Labour voters from voting for them. Very little.

If it had been Corbyn who refused to take part in the debate rather than May, you could bet your life savings that Conservative voters would be calling him a coward who is unable to stand up to the pressure, while Labour voters would be praising him for not lowering himself to level of this modern, meaningless, unintellectual spectacle.

tookawhile I am not a Tory fan I may vote Lib Dem, but any individual policies by the government can be campaigned against.

Incompetence, however, cannot be easily rectified.

Labour didn't cause the GLOBAL financial crisis ffs. It's hilarious when people moan about labours magic money tree when the tories have produced a completely uncosted manifesto and have increased the national debt despite all our services being decimated. Where has all the money gone these past 7 years? They can't even put a figure on the winter fuel allowance or dementia cap. It astounds me so many people are willing to vote on blind faith.

Perhaps it's a good time to remind people that the manifesto on which Labour was elected in 1945 was a "fantasy", yet it resulted in the founding of the NHS as well as the modern welfare state. If they'd been held back by people inanely shouting "magic money tree" at them, we'd all still be paying every time we wanted to go to our GP, or have an operation, or ended up in A&E with appendicitis.

Hillingdon How annoying of me to bring up those pesky hungry children!

It's just an inability to understand how you can't look at the devastating plight of some people in this country and vow not to condemn them for another 5 years of the same.

But you're right and so I won't mention the NHS or education or housing. I wouldn't want to make a fuss...

So many mumsnetters who obviously don't care about the 4 million children in poverty in this country, or about their mums who are presenting at their gp's (when they can get an appointment) with malnutrition. Or the disabled people who have had their benefits cut. Have a little compassion.

This is such trite shit. Of course anyone that votes Tory must be a compassionless ogre.

I think for me Amber Rudd was right about the magic money tree. I imagine it's where the Mumsnet magic chicken roosts at night.

Nope.
What I find most annoying is people trying to argue me out of whoever I'm going to vote for. 'You're telling me you're going to vote for a party that blah blah blah and blah?' 'What?! Did you actually read the manifesto?' 'Did you know if you vote for them blah blah blah?' It's highly irritating, I am capable of making an informed decision thanks!

Do we really have a say, or is it a done deal, like Brexit?
I think all the Politicians are just puppets, their strings being pulled by the megga rich.
We are the plebs even the ones who think they are wealthy, we mean jack shit to the lot of them. It makes no difference who you vote for or even if you vote at all.
HTH

Tbf from what I am seeing, the Labour supporters on my social media are quite bullying and intimidating, "you have to vote Labour" "its the only way", "if you don't vote Labour, your heartless and cruel", nowonder Tory voters are undercover and covert. I don't agree with a lot of Corbyn and his manifesto, he is talking the talk, but i don't believe he can walk the walk and run this country, and get us a good Brexit deal.

I never have and can't imagine circumstances in which I would ever vote Tory. However, I was planning to vote Lib Dem or Green instead of my usual Labour vote. Since the debates I'm seriously considering voting Labour.

I worry because it seems a rerun of the EU ref and the US elections.
People voting for someone because they promise the moon and stars and of course that's all lovely to hear.

The children in poverty undoubtedly deserve help, but they won't get it once the economy starts to shrink and there's nothing left to tax and no foreign investment because of Brexit and high taxes.

Marxism is only good on paper, most of us flirt with in in University and then grow up.

Where is Corbyn going to get this money to nationalise Rail and plough into services, he has to increase taxation, not only for the rich, but for middle income earners too. I do not like his support of terrorism groups.