Genuine question for Tory voters

[Bluebeedee]

Really not asking this in a goady way- I just want to know if anyone has changed their mind over the last few days of TM refusing to do any interviews/debates. I don't think Rudd did anything positive for the Conservative party with her appearance on the debate the other night and what I have seen of TM, she seems like she might actually be having a bit of a breakdown?

To be honest I am tempted to vote conservative I am a floating voter although I normally lean towards labour but I feel that labour is just not in a good position to negotiate a better deal than the cons will (for brexit). Ultimately our economy depends on this and all the airy fairy promises in the world will not happen if there is no money.

BareGrylls, I'm in exactly the same position. I won't vote Tory (safe Tory seat) but I will not vote for Corbyn's labour - I disagree with too much in the manifesto & I have no faith in their ability to run a government. I'm a Remainer. I'm still very angry with Corbyn's pathetic inability to hold to government to account.

And as an early 40-something my "life long Labour support" was the labour of John Smith onwards - not Corbyn & McDonnell.

Polly, why do you think it was rigged? I thought the audience was made up of an equal mix of voters for each party plus undecided.

Also as I've said before, it's not just the debates, bar QT TM is refusing to take part in local and regional interviews. It's more the lack of interviews I find strange

blue
Bordersarethebest - haven't you read the Tory manifesto? There are plans to repeal the hunting ban!
there is going to be a free vote on it as it was in the 2015 conservative manifesto
a free vote means that it is not whip controlled. It will probably not pass or it may well result in a change in the ban to bring it into line with Scotland (which is currently different)
I do expect OP (and you are being a bit goady in your post) that most people are not over-sentimental about foxes (cue pictures of fluffy fox cubs) and see the bigger picture for the future of this country is far more important when Corbyn promises the earth that the country cannot afford as a blatent bribe for the young.
I am against fox-hunting but any change that affects a miniscule part of my daily life and is of little importance is not sufficient to change my vote.
The debates are excruciatingly banal and a waste of time.

Bluebeedee maybe she is concentrating on national media instead of local and regional media? She still have a country to run while this campaigning is happening.

So everyone who wants Labour do you honestly think in your wildest dreams that he has a front bench who can run the country? Abbot in charge of security?
Have you not heard that his MPs are going to leave in droves if he stays on? His own party despair at him.

Of course he promises the earth- what has he got to lose?
But can he deliver? No.

People have short memories. It's not that long since Labour under TB and GB left office and the country was bankrupt. Absolutely bankrupt. It is going to take decades to rectify this.

Do you really, really want to add to the national debt for your kids and grandkids who will be paying for Labour's ideas?

If you think the austerity measures were bad a few years ago you have no idea what they will belike under JC when it all goes tits up.

Polly, why do you think it was rigged? I thought the audience was made up of an equal mix of voters for each party plus undecided.

You need to read a bit more. There has been an absolute outcry because of the bias on that programme. have you missed it? Even staunch Labour voters were quoted yesterday as saying it was the most left-wing audience they had ever seen.

Blue The audience was meant to be an equal mix, but is based on people's response to a questionnaire. When it was organised, Corbyn had said he would not be there. All commentators believe it was unrepresentative, but probably not the BBC intention, just liars on the forms, alongside not many people wanting to attend with neither major leader present.

So if people aren't bothered about Theresa May's poor skills at debating and answering difficult questions, and will vote for her anyway because "it's a vote for the party, not the leader", how come so many people are using the "anyone but Corbyn" argument for not voting Labour?

No Polly, absolutely no evidence that the audience was 'rigged'. Let us know if you have anything more than speculation.

By the way, did you vote leave?

No interest in seeing politicians exchange sound bites which are dumbed down for the masses and then parroted on here If the best the Labour Party can offer is Corbyn, McDonnell and bloody Abbott, God help us all if they get in.

No still voting Conservative.

Why are people not up in arms about the fact Jeremy Corbyn has never done the Today programme despite repeated invitation and always sends John McDonald or Diane Abbott?

No haven’t changed my mind, and quite frankly stunned at the fact so many people actually believe Labour can provide such an economically unfeasible manifesto. And yes i know they have ‘costed it’. But again hahahahahahahaha.
Appreciate many labour voters/ members of the population perhaps don’t have a huge grasp of economics and therefore believe this nonsense. But crikey, still stunned how many are gullible/naive enough to fall for it. I thought when his manifesto was leaked that he would lose total credibility (well the last shreds he was clinging to). But i guess the possibility of the government paying for everything is very enticing.

It’s like the Foxtons land agent that values your house for sale totally unrealistically. But you are so hypnotised at the possibility of the large sum dangled that you choose them to market your property because just WHAT IF, WHAT IF one of those 100s of foreign investors they have lined up waiting for a property JUST LIKE YOURS actually materialises and will pay well over market value for your property.
And people say Tory voters are greedy!!

And that’s just the economic aspect of it. So many other concerns to long to list!!

No, I've not changed my mind.

magical I like your post

I don't think they have run the best campaign ever, not by far, but I live in total fear of any other party trying to run the country. (Having lived and worked through the 70s, the 3-day week and the power of the unions.)

I also lived and worked through the 70s, and I too remember the 3 day week - which took place under Ted Heath as (Conservative) Prime Minister after 4 years of Conservative government

Agree he should do Today but the main TV debate is much more important. It really is the main event insofar as more people see it than any other debate or media appearance. As I said, I think it's wrong to put too much emphasis on the way a person can 'perform' on TV. Politics is too important for that. But a proper exchange of views between the people who hope to be PM is surely vital during an election campaign?

'PollyPerky' you do realise that the recession was a global one? And that at the time the tories wholeheartedly supported labours attempt to steer us through? Labour didn't actually bankrupt the country.

Appreciate many labour voters/ members of the population perhaps don’t have a huge grasp of economics and therefore believe this nonsense.

Unlike economics whizz Theresa May, who couldn't even give a figure for her proposed schools free breakfast policy.

bare
Are you me?

I have seen TM on TV two or three times a day, dont get why you think she is having a breakdown? Possibly one of these Labour chat bots?

I don't know about a breakdown but she always looks very uncomfortable and anxious in front of the camera.

Well, some of these 2017 election threads should disabuse us for once and for all of the idea that liberals have the monopoly on gratuitous insults.

Also loving the way that right wingers are suddenly interested in the views of experts like the IFS when they so roundly rejected them during the Brexit debates.

I'd consider voting Labour if they got rid of their Marxist waste of oxygen. With him there, cat in hell's chance.