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I think the tories will lose

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ethanrayne · 31/05/2017 21:27

I actually thought they would win, and there was nothing anyone could do. Now I think they will lose.

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cdtaylornats · 31/05/2017 23:28

The best thing for the Labour party would be a sizeable loss then at least Corbyn would go.

Look at the Labour front bench - could you see them as ministers.

Dianne Abbott as chancellor though would have the same comedy/horror value as Boris being Foreign Secretary.

You could watch open warfare breaking out as Corbyn chased away all the billionaires that Sadiq Khan likes because they pay for a lot of the things that make London a success.

GretchenFranklin · 31/05/2017 23:29

The suffering for people with disability wrought by this nasty government is unbelievable.

Sittinonthefloor · 31/05/2017 23:31

Well, you may think it's 'bollocks' and yet here I am wanting disabled people to be supported not approving of the tories record and yet still not thinking JC is capable of doing any better.

SemiNormal · 31/05/2017 23:31

believing all the misrepresentation of Corbyn - but equally people could say you're believing the hype and that the 'misrepresentation' is the real truth. That's what I find so frustrating, just because people believe differently to you it doesn't make them wrong.

I remember thinking Tony Blair was the fucking bees knees and so did many other people and look how that turned out!? Of course those who support Corbyn may be right about him, he may be the next best thing since sliced bread ... but he might not.

yolofish · 31/05/2017 23:31

I think the best we can hope for is a dramatically reduced Tory majority - which leaves them having to clear up the mess; and the hope that Lab/lib/green/ etc can get their act together to act coherently and cohesively to present a strong opposition.

Ravenblack · 31/05/2017 23:32

@sittin GREAT post.

I'm a 'shy conservative'. Most people I know are. My fb feed has been pretty empty of election stuff - apart from a small number of labour people who post really aggressive stuff. I don't enter into debates about politics on mn 'cause I don't really like being attacked in a way I would never attack labour supporters. What some people don't realise is that some of us vote Tory because we think it would be better for the whole country. I think lots of JCs ideas are lovely- yay!!! Give people stuff!!! But I think if we implemented them we'd bankrupt the country and be in a much worse position than we are now - and able to afford less NHS / social care. I do think it's right that free school meals are taken away from those who can afford to pay - it's a daft policy! I do think education needs more money. I do want to care for disabled people. I'm not particularly fussed about immigration. I don't agree with a lot of Tory policy, but overall I think they are the better option out of two (sorry lib dems) rather dismal options. I can't see Corbyn, Abbott, thornberry etc running the country successfully. And in my line of work I have met lots of entitled people who really don't fancy the idea of working. Does that make me selfish? Basically I want a new center ground liberal non-socialist party!

I actually quite like Corbyn as a person; he seems like a lovely man and his heart is in the right place.

But his ideas are too far out, and fantastic, and the country will be bankrupt within a year. I am not not a massive fan of May, nor the Tories, but I am getting increasingly tempted to vote for them as I feel that the Tories are the right party right now.

Caroline Lucas is lovely too, but again, her ideas are not terribly doable.

Don't like Farron or Nuttall.

If I hear Farron say he is going to stop Brexit one more time, I will fucking scream! It's a done deal! The touchpaper has been lit!

And yes I agree that some people have suffered with their ESA and DLA being cut/stopped/questioned etc, but the fact is that 100s of 1000s have been swinging the lead for a long time, and we all know it. So something had to be done. Unfortunately, some people who deserve to be on disability benefit got caught in the crossfire. And the Tories did themselves no favours with employing companies who got paid for everyone they got off the benefits. It was a good idea in principal, but too severe and badly executed. Like the benefit cap and tax credits cap. Something needed doing but they should not have been retrospective IMO.

Apairofsparklingeyes · 31/05/2017 23:34

Labour supporters are making the most noise but it doesn't mean that they will win the election.

ArseOfInfinity · 31/05/2017 23:34

Sittinonthefloor you should still be in no doubt, if you vote Tory it will get worse for disabled people.

At the very least face it and don't lie to yourself.

A vote for Tory is a vote for people to keep disabled people dying, starving and terrified.

Just anyone fucking dare call that 'over dramatic' after you've looked at the figures.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 31/05/2017 23:35

I also think JC will lead to us waving goodbye bye to Scotland, selfishly I think we are better off together! Also I'm still pd off at corbyn for not supporting Remain with any effort - he easily could have made the difference if he'd wanted to

Yes. Exactly. His behaviour during the referendum was appalling. All that "ooh , I'm so principled, I could not possibly join with Cameron".

blankpieceofpaper · 31/05/2017 23:36

Not a chance they will lose for a simple reason - Labour needs Scotland, and it also needs to win over some traditionally Tory seats. They can't do this on their current lacklustre performance.

We thought it might be a hung parliament. But the 'Shy Tory Voter' phenomenon goes back to the 1990s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_Factor
That gets them the votes.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 31/05/2017 23:36

Also I'm still pissed off at corbyn for not supporting Remain with any effort - he easily could have made the difference if he'd wanted to.

He campaigned but the media were loving the internal shit show that was the tory divisions at the time so under represented both remain and Corbyn, research has been done on this, Id also like to point out that Alan Johnson was the Remain leader on Labours side

Sittinonthefloor · 31/05/2017 23:37

Arse - many people vote on the overall range of policies + the characters of the proposed leaders and ministers not just on one or two aspects.

ArseOfInfinity · 31/05/2017 23:39

And yes I agree that some people have suffered with their ESA and DLA being cut/stopped/questioned etc, but the fact is that 100s of 1000s have been swinging the lead for a long time, and we all know it. So something had to be done. Unfortunately, some people who deserve to be on disability benefit got caught in the crossfire

About all I can manage to that is a hollow laugh.

See how the slur campaign against us worked?

That people genuinely believe the minuscule (yes minuscule, why the hell does no one look up the actual numbers for fraud) amount of people who may fiddle are worth the deaths of people who had cancer, schizophrenia, ms, and all the others.

They aren't saving money from fraud. They are saving money from cutting genuine people off.

The true insult? It's not even working. It's costing far more with this ridiculous system they have set up now.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 31/05/2017 23:40

I'd also like to point out that Alan Johnson was the Remain leader on Labours side

Your point being what? Alan Johnson is a fine politician and it is a shame he is going. That doesn't excuse Corbyn's lacklustre and apathetic efforts. Corbyn is leader of a party whose official policy was Remain.

ArseOfInfinity · 31/05/2017 23:40

Sittinonthefloor tell yourself that when the next truly vulnerable person dies due to cuts. or the school/hospital near you closes

Sittinonthefloor · 31/05/2017 23:41

His campaign efforts for remain were feeble! No media spin; he was half hearted at best!

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 31/05/2017 23:42

Aaaannnndddd Arse's post is an example of why the Tory voters stay silent on here...

Vango · 31/05/2017 23:43

Also I'm still pd off at corbyn for not supporting Remain with any effort - he easily could have made the difference if he'd wanted to

Hasn't JC always been Eurosceptic? The Labour Party backed Remain because it was the will of the majority of its MPs. The fact that he stayed relatively silent on the matter is to his credit. He'd have been more of a laughing stock if he'd hitched his wagon to DC in my opinion.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 31/05/2017 23:43

That doesn't excuse Corbyn's lacklustre and apathetic efforts. Corbyn is leader of a party whose official policy was Remain.

It doesnt excuse a bias media that is setting an agenda, feel free to be disingenuous Lass im sure its serves whatever purpose you need it to so meh [shrug]

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 31/05/2017 23:43

'Ranting aggressively has really changed my mind' said nobody ever

blankpieceofpaper · 31/05/2017 23:44

ArseofInfinity - I completely agree. How well its worked. Turning the less well off/ weak and vulnerable / benefit claimants etc against each other. It's a race to the bottom!

But never mind tax fraud, corporations and their tax dealings, offshore trade etc - Britain is open for business!

ArseOfInfinity · 31/05/2017 23:45

LiviaDrusillaAugusta I'm not surprised.

It's hard to argue against the fact that real people are suffering isn't it?

Even harder to admit to yourself
,let alone others, that you don't care and will vote for it anyway.

Please, do find the figures that would argue with me. Come back, show me I'm wrong. I'd die a happy lady knowing that actually none of this was happening.

Easier to shut it all out isn't it?

Sittinonthefloor · 31/05/2017 23:46

Arse - I have said I don't support the tories policy in all areas. I'm just trying to explain that lots of people don't make their choice on a single issue. It's not wrong of them just because it isn't what you believe. You have illustrated exactly the reason you get 'shy tories'.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 31/05/2017 23:47

I'm not talking about the content of your posts - you have an absolute right to say what you want. I'm talking about the tone. If you honestly think that people who disagree with your political viewpoint will take the time to consider what you have to say then you post so aggressively then that's a shame.

ArseOfInfinity · 31/05/2017 23:48

What is more important that people, in the houses around you, dying uneacesarily?!

That's what I can't understand? Enlighten me.

What are these other issues that are so much more pressing, that you are willing to overlook that it will get so much worse?