Why would you vote Conservative

[BigGrannyPants]

Just that really, I am utterly bemused why anyone would vote conservative knowing the lies they've told, the lives they've ruined and the fact they are only interested in looking after their rich friends. I appreciate the choice of parties aren't great, but surely Tories need to be at the bottom of the list? If you are planning to vote Conservative please enlighten me! This thread isn't intended to bash anyone so if you could try and avoid that if possible!

Good post, BigGrannyPants.

No party is ideal so it's often a case of choosing the least worse. How the Tories get a reputation for financial competence and Labour the opposite is absolutely beyond me.

I still can't agree with those who are going to vote Labour. Conservatives did not do the damage people say they did. I'd take them over Labour any day.

Minimum wage has been around for ages, the Conservative living wage is an improvement. Labour nearly bankrupted the country and left us in a terrible economic shape. Yes there are people who choose benefits as a lifestyle but we are cracking down on them.

The NHS is NOT being sold off, that is left wing lies. Furthermore, the Tories have put the country in the best economic shape its been in since Gordon Brown.

The corrupt trade unions are still blackmailing our country. Train drivers FFS just push the button and close the doors.

It was Margaret Thatcher who overcame the post war union barons and modernized our country. She reformed our country and gave everyone the opportunity to buy their own tax payer subsidized council home..

This is like false memory syndrome. Labour, prior to the world wide financial crash, destroyed the economy. Currently the left wing loonies are planning on borrowing billions to shower everyone with presents our children will have to pay for. Scotland has been shielded from the worst by English tax payers. But guess what, they want independence and will end up having to pay their own credit card bills.

Anon1234567890

There has been and always will be "false memory syndrome" from both sides.

But then people will deny what is happening even when its there in front of their eyes.

The thing with the NHS is it really is a victim of its own success and will need infinite amounts of money to keep it going. In most countries without a free healthcare system very elderly people with complex medical problems would not be given so much treatment as in the UK and allowed to die earlier rather than be endlessly patched up and require 24 hour nursing care as they are unable to do anything for themselves. We are also saving premature babies at 23 weeks and 50% of them will have significant disabilities requiring constant medical and social care. I'm not saying these choices are right or wrong but these choices come with a cost.

People who think giving the NHS more money will sort out its problems are mistaken. More money will mean more research/ experimentation, more pushing the boundaries of what's medically possible and increase in costs as we can then prolong/ save more lives. No political party can stop this process from happening.

The NHS is NOT being sold off, that is left wing lies.

So why are NHS patients being referred to Virgin Care?

So why are NHS patients being referred to Virgin Care?

Because that is a better way to do it. How many people pay to go to Virgin Care?

Presumably Richard Branson isn't offering the service for free?

Anon1234567890

Because that is a better way to do it.

Do you also think this with education?

Yes, I remember the 3 day week and the power cuts, too. This is why I'm very dubious about some of the posters on here because both those things happened under the CONSERVATIVES!!

It makes me angry to see yet again people re-writing history. Labour were not in power for all the 70s. There were also many strikes under Thatcher's Government, though they like to pretend there weren't.

I've read post after post telling us that all politicians lie, best of a bad bunch, can't believe a word any of them says etc. etc.
Yet those same posters are claiming that the only option is to vote for the party that, only two years down the line, has to force another GE on us all because they can't keep the promises they made in 2015.

And will you stop whining about posters being nasty to you?? It's a diversion tactic, nothing more. Exactly the same as those tedious bias claims that politicians love to make in order to deflect attention.

Oh I remember the Tory election manifesto 2015. We say yes to the single market!

Also on education - forced resits for Y7s who failed their SATs - u-turn. Compulsory Ebacc for all - tumbleweed. Protected per-pupil funding in schools - massive cuts. Fgs they even changed the pass grade for the new GCSEs with a month to go before the kids actually sit them.
When Philip Hammond was bollocked for increasing taxes when it went against the manifesto, he must have been surprised that anyone actually expected him to pay any attention to it.

Because I agree with Teresa May's policies

Which ones?

for the anti-immigrationists: as Home Sec Theresa May has admitted more immigrants than Labour

speye.wordpress.com/

for the "don't trust Labour with the economy" brigade: the Tories have routinely borrowed far more than Labour since 1945, & have repaid far less of the National Debt

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

For those who still think the Tories can be trusted with the NHS - have you seen this?

www.facebook.com/Squiglet/posts/10154595358257525

So why are NHS patients being referred to Virgin Care?

Because that is a better way to do it. How many people pay to go to Virgin Care?

Why is it better? What is it that makes a provider that needs to extract a profit from the service it is providing better than a provider that doesn't? If the profit does not come from increased taxpayer costs, poorer services, or more exploitative employment practices, or a combination of all three, then where does it come from?

This is what happens with Virgin "Care"

Lapdance I was about to look for that very image. It is scary.

I work for a public service. I went there for flexible working. I took a total package cut of 33% from private industry. Inefficient public services are a thing of the past. Disjointed and chaotic 'public services' are the future. You know how frustrating it is to deal with utilities?

I was a public servant too (now retired) and am utterly sick and tired of the criticism that we got.

To other posters, don't try to convince us that Virgin Care, or other private providers are more efficient. Answer a straight question. Is it the NHS? Did you see anything on a manifesto which said that the NHS would be privatised?

Oh and incidentally I remember the strikes of the Seventies. Under the Tory Government - a Post Workers strike which went on for a couple of months, in 1971, then a miners strike. Then there was the time in early 1974 when we seriously expected there to be petrol rationing, and the coupons printed at the time of Suez were dished out to us all. Remember that? Many of you won't have been born, and for the rest, it's got air-brushed out.

Well, when Theresa May and her right wing cronies (all wealthy or in TM and Leasdom's case, married to wealthy men), cut your health service, don't complain on MN or go on QT to whine - just remind yourself that is how you voted.

I am not rich. I will vote conservative as I think Jeremy Corbin is not a viable alternative as a leader. I think the 70k is rich nonsense will put a lot of people off voting for them. 70k is NOT a fortune and I feel penalising people for working hard and years of sacrifice is unfair. My husband earns more than this but is often away, works long hours and even on holiday is checking emails/taking calls etc.
Lots of people who will vote Tory will do for tactical reasons, LIB DEMS or the Green Party will never compete in terms of numbers of MPs with The two main party.
A choice of Corbin or May is a no brainer

Re the NHS - who massively went down the PFI route ? - google it and the answer is it was nulabour. It was a Conservative policy originally but nulabour took it and ran with it massively.
Who presided over excessive house price increases (yes - Mr 'no more boom or bust' Brown)?
Who introduced tax credits and kept real wages down and made it so advantageous for fit and healthy people to choose to get more through TCs working part time than if they pulled their weight?
I remember the labour/nulabour years with horror and I think some of you are too young to fully grasp how bad they were for our industries (google how many companies were sold off to foreign firms during the blair years)

And some of us, far from being too young, are a good many years older and can remember just how the Tories shaft people time and time again.
House price hikes - tell me about the hikes in the early seventies. House price jumps of 50% in a couple of months.
What were our industries like in the early Seventies - rapidly losing out to overseas firms, in the main due to poor management and lack of investment. This was certainly true in the textile town I lived in then when firm after firm went bankrupt, which wasn't caused by strike action, because the workers never went on strike. Whole families thrown out of work.
Then Mrs Thatcher's destruction of mining and heavy industry.
Who started the sale of council houses, so that they are now in private hands? Have a guess. It wasn't Labour.
How about interest rates in the early 90s. Fancy paying 14% interest on your mortgage, as we used to do? No, thought not.

Oh yes, I am old enough to remember all right.
Some of you are going to get a very rude awakening.

Just out of interest, why are we so focused on one person in each party?

In the past I did understand the argument that Tories were better for the economy.
They are not anymore!
All those who say that the NHS is a victim of its own success are partly correct, but it is also a victim of demographic changes.

And as for public spending: Do you have any idea how massive the pensions bill is? Both public service pensions and state pensions?
Many retired/ soon to retire are on final salary pension schemes - thee are very rarely offered to younger generations because they are massively unaffordable. Even many privately run FSP schemes are in deficit. The phrase "ticking time bomb" is overused, but applies here. It is expensive now, and is going to get even more expensive.
So: the cost of the NHS, social care, and pensions are all rising.
What's the hard right plan to fix it?
Reduce the number of working age people! Make it harder for foreign doctors and tax payers to come over here!
Fewer tax payers, supporting more elderly people! Then blame it on the poorest in society, and slash away at other sectors of public spending.

....Of course anyone who suggests that even a small amount of immigration has benefits is told that they "want to open the doors to completely unlimited immigration and flood the country with billions of illiterates".

@scaryclown do you mean the party leaders?