Why would you vote Conservative

[BigGrannyPants]

Just that really, I am utterly bemused why anyone would vote conservative knowing the lies they've told, the lives they've ruined and the fact they are only interested in looking after their rich friends. I appreciate the choice of parties aren't great, but surely Tories need to be at the bottom of the list? If you are planning to vote Conservative please enlighten me! This thread isn't intended to bash anyone so if you could try and avoid that if possible!

hollyisalovelyname I don't actually know why I don't like Theresa May, but I don't and didn't even before she was PM.

Exactly NotDavidTennant they did all that, plus they decimated the mining industry, privatised local counci services and the unions too. So why wouldn't they do the same to the NHS if that's what they'd wanted? Who would have stopped them Michael Foot , Neil Kinnock?

I think @misspriggy you are either kidding yourself on or you are completely deluded. The NHS has been under attack for years, when Brexit goes through we will most likely lose some of our highly trained, highly specialised doctors and nurses, which is already understaffed and underfunded. Doctors and nurses are working dangerous amounts of hours, dangerous for them and their patients.

Any doctors/nurses/hospital administrators here care to comment on the state of the NHS?

I saw this the other day and thought it was very true.

Unfortunately this election will a disaster for Labour. At a time when the Tories should be about as popular as a dose of syphilis, the only thing holding them so high in the polls is really the complete mess which is the Labour party.

We NEED a strong opposition and right now we don't have it. The Lib Dems were practically wiped out to the point where the fact they will probably make some great gains but there's no way they will make a serious challenge to the Tories.

The SNP were finished off last election in Scotland. This time I predict they'll be dealt a mortal wound in England.

Mark my words. June 9th will be the day Corbyn resigns.

"under attack" Do you mean trying to change aspects of it? Like how both Blair and Brown's Labour governments used private providers to increase 'patient choice' and competition as part of their reform programmes? Cos that was "attacking" it back then, as is anyone who attempted to do anything about changing things since then.

I know say - 'Moral is at an all time low' --- while you're about it

I remember the winter of discontent and not going to school for about a month because the tankers were on strike and fuel wasn't being delivered to schools. Every morning we had to listen to the radio to let us know which schools were opened we kids loved it but must have been an nightmare for our parents. Also the rubbish bags piling up on the pavements because the bin men were on strike. During that period the electricity would suddenly go off without warning most nights and you were stuffed if you were cooking on an electric hob/ oven. Luckily we still had gas fires and would all sit round toasting bread in front of it with with candles for lighting, playing cards it was like some Dickensian novel.

I also remember huge queues forming outside the local chip shop as they could still cook fish and chips in their gas fired deep fat fryer. It was like the blitz with no street lights and people using candles and torches when the went outside.

I'm a nurse! Want to know how it is??

There aren't enough beds and there aren't enough staff to take care of patients. There are long waiting times and lists. How difficult is it to get a GP appointment? You know yourself it's nigh impossible! Jeremy Hunt and his idiotic Tory friends have the utter nerve to blame a lack of compassion and care. No one on the NHS frontline finishes on time. No one does their set hours. No one gets paid/recognised for this!! We haven't had a pay rise in years. Few people I speak to enjoy their job. Fab doctors and nurses move away for want of better working conditions.
If you vote Tory in the next election you are signing away the NHS, a service which despite being under funded and under staffed will road into action when YOU need it, any time of the day, any day of the week. No one will ask if you can pay for it. None of the doctors and nurses due to finish their shift will leave you until there are adequate numbers of staff to take over.
Think very very carefully. I don't care if you 'don't like' Jeremy Corbyn. That's a childish excuse. Do you prefer the idea of a country with no NHS or a dangerously under staffed underfunded NHS? Which of these impacts you and your families more - a PM you 'don't like' or no health care?!

Its all very well to say how terrible the Tories are and I wouldn't necessarily disagree. But the problem is with Corbyn is: he wants with one hand, to throw untold billions at all public services whilst he holds the door open to endless numbers of 3rd world immigrants, with the other. The majority of whom are semi-literate at best, are unemployable, go on benefits and are a burden on the UK tax payer.

This is why I and millions of other, one time Labour voters, like me wouldn't dream of voting for him. .

priggy that's a fantasy of your own tortured kipper mind. Immigration is a self supporting thing. Immigrants as a group put in more than they take out. Calling '3rd World immigrants' 'semi-literate at best', unemployable and a burden on the British tax payer is wrong and offensive.

offensive Sorry, I know straight talking upsets some peoplebut its an important subject area. Where's you evidence Immigration is self supporting? Or maybe that's a figment of your tortured, leftist/liberal imagination?

Skilled immigrants? Yes, of course they are, they integrate well too, but unskilled, under-educated immigrants (the majority) are a burden to the tax payer and are less likely to integrate and adopt Western values.

Gatestone institute and Pew research shows Muslim unemployment is at 50% for men, and 75% for women in the West.

Iraqi / Swedish economist Tino Sanandaji found that of the recent asylum seeker in Sweden, half do not have high school qualifications and out of these ppl , 35% dont even have 9 yrs of schooling. So they are at best, semi-literate. They come from Somalia, Iraq, Syria the same place as our 3rd world immigrants here, so why would it be any different here?

misspriggy: Who wants to hold the door open to "endless numbers of semi-literate third world immigrants"?
What are you basing those accusations on?

As far as I'm aware most of the recent debate around immigration has been about EU immigration. Corbyn seems to have changed position on free movement within the EU recently, but Labour have not been advocating for unlimited global immigration, as far as I'm aware. You know which countries are in the EU? Not Somalia.

And posters highlighting how shit things were during the winter of discontent: I believe you, I don't want this country to slide back into a situation like that. But I think the biggest risk to our current lifestyles is a cliff edge Brexit. I find arguing about which party was worse in the past less relevant than the very serious issues facing us today.

Freezingwinter: Thank you for what you and your colleagues do.

You are seriously more worried about immigrants than whether you and your family will have health care in the near future?

And that's really nice of you squishy, you are more than welcome please vote labour so that I might get a pay rise and be able to afford another baby soon!!

Gatestone institute and Pew research shows Muslim unemployment is at 50% for men, and 75% for women in the West. >Iraqi / Swedish economist Tino Sanandaji found that of the recent asylum seeker in Sweden, half do not have high school qualifications and out of these ppl , 35% dont even have 9 yrs of schooling. So they are at best, semi-literate

I thought this was poignant

You too are welcome (although I honestly didn't post that here for thanks, it's so nice to hear people are appreciative. Thank you!!)

I just find it mind boggling that people are more concerned about 'not liking' Jeremy Corbyn than they are about things that DIRECTLY affect you, like health care?! For what it's worth I don't particularly like him either - I don't like any politicians but Voldemort could do a better job as health minister than Jeremy Hunt, he MUST go. He is ripping your assured health care from under your feet.

BigGrannyPants

That is the big question.

How do you get the 16.9 million to vote? (assuming that spoilt ballots are in other)

Priggy look at MigrationWatch data. If you take all immigration it is a tiny, tiny deficit. Restrict it to EU only and it's a positive contribution.

Freezing
Voting Labour is a wasted vote. They're going to end up with fewer MPs than they had in 1983. That time, it took them 14 years to become electable. Every vote for Labour prolongs the agony of their death spiral

It's a struggle. I cannot vote Tory the austerity cuts are harming societies most vulnerable. Lib dem protest vote? Not likely Tim Farron is pro-life and sees Homosexual sex as sinful.

Really hoping Corbyn pulls a strong campaign out of the bag.

Priggy is a mental,

Muslim unemployment is not to do with laziness or ability its to do with weak-minded idiots like you doing recruiting.

Many UK working class are semi-illiterate - in their own mother tongue - what you mean is 'some of these immigrants don't know english that well' that's not illiterate - if it were, we would all be illiterate as no-one knows every language. you fool.

Voting labour is only a wasted vote in certain consituencies

Not voting labour even though you want to, because jeremy corbyn will lose is mental - the only thing that will make him lose for labour is that people who vote labour normally don't vote labour - if you vote for him, he will win.. Are you crazy? IF you want labour to win, then help labour to win and vote for labour.. don't blame corbyn.. its you.. jeez.

I am genuinely interested then. Which party do you think will sort the NHS?

cjdamoo: The lib dems aren't perfect and I have my reservations about Farron, but his religion has become massively overhyped. If you look at his voting record, he has voted for gay and women's rights over and over again. I don't agree with everything he has voted for (but that's the same for all politicians!), but it his voting record is much, much more pro women and LGBT than most Tory MPs. He is vocally in favour of women's access to abortions, I thought? Unless you have evidence to the contrary.
How politicians act is much more important to me than their religious beliefs.

How politicians act is much more important to me than their religious beliefs.

Quite - look at May never forgetting to remind us that she's a vicar's daughter, and wants a country which works for everyone and then look at her voting record.

Which party will sort the NHS - I will tell you which one won't and that is the Tories. The others will probably have a good go.

@BoneyBackJefferson I wish I had the answer to that. I think voting is so important but I can understand why so many feel disengaged. I will always use my vote I hope. I suppose in a lot of ways I am lucky as I have an alternate party to vote for where those in England don't.

I still can't agree with those who are going to vote Tory. Labour did not do the damage people say they did. I'd take them over Conservatives any day.

Minimum wage has been around for ages, the living wage is utter shit, labour didn't bankrupt the country the GFC did that, prior to that they actually had the country in better economic shape than it had been under Thatcher and Major, yes there might be people who chose benefits as a lifestyle but they're in the extreme minority, how can anyone think that it's ok to drive low income families below the breadline because of a few wassocks, and people in the above average wage bracket need to pay a higher level of tax to have a functional economy and good public services. The NHS was not long ago ranked as one of the best health care systems in the world, and it still would be if the Tories hadn't stripped it and sold it off! Furthermore, the Tories have put the country in the worst economic shape its been in since the beginning of the 20th century. They're pissing the money away on the rich.

There was a strong trade union movement and right up to the 1970's there was in effect full employment. It was the post war settlement, a promise made to those who had to fight, they would come home to jobs and houses. Contrary to the end of the First World War - causing much unrest, a general strike and tanks rolled on to George Square. This was when the right to strike was taken from the police. Women were fighting for suffrage and being badly treated by the state.

It was Margaret Thatcher who broke the post war settlement and said unemployment was a price worth paying. She reduced UK industrial output to pre 1960levels, throwing millions on the dole, thus creating intergenerational unemployment. She paid for this with Scottish Oil revenue.

This is like false memory syndrome. Labour, prior to the world wide financial crash, actually did very well with the economy. If these people use schools , doctors, social services then guess what that is what taxes are for. Just wait till the place crumbles. Currently the Tories are selling everything off , on the quiet and on the cheap. Scotland has been shielded from the worst by SNP. But guess what, every penny taken out of the public sector in England is effected in the Barnet Formula, (our block grant).