Why would you vote Conservative

[BigGrannyPants]

Just that really, I am utterly bemused why anyone would vote conservative knowing the lies they've told, the lives they've ruined and the fact they are only interested in looking after their rich friends. I appreciate the choice of parties aren't great, but surely Tories need to be at the bottom of the list? If you are planning to vote Conservative please enlighten me! This thread isn't intended to bash anyone so if you could try and avoid that if possible!

And I like Nick Clegg

the only way to stop May winning a majority, the only way to stop a hard Brexit, is by the Lib Dems winning in those seats.

He said this yesterday but that doesn't really answer the question....

Same here pink

I warmed to him...after he lost

Sorry, just read the last line of your op.

@Pinkandwhiteblossoms that's is no way a guarantee and even if they do, we are still very much ruled by Westminster

@optionalrationale yes you're right, this is very tactical, I live in hope that it back fires!

@RufusTheRenegadeReindeer I think they did say that but it's a lie I think!

@TrojanWhore I never saw the other thread otherwise I wouldn't have made this one  there's bound to be quite a few brexit and election threads going. I'm. It asking anyone to justify their vote, although I can see why you would think that. I genuinely want to know what drives people to vote for them.

@Pinkandwhiteblossoms Re the lib dems I think they say whatever they think people want to hear

@fakenamefornow I think that's very accurate though (not for me sadly, I am not rich lol)

big

Ooooooh man!!

@Pinkandwhiteblossoms Nick Clegg? Really? He reminds me of a kids TV show host... dos anyone remember live and kicking with Philip Schofield

Just have to wait for the manifestos then...

I mean they are still going to lie on them but its the best i can get

How bad is that though, that they can just make stuff up and then after getting elected say yeh about that we're not doing that anymore we're going to do the exact opposite! They should be legally bound by the promises they make

It is bad

I agree its a shame we cant hold the buggers to their promises

Even if who do what, sorry OP? Even if the LDs do halt Brexit?

To me, it's the principle of the thing. Once you hold a referendum, once you ask the question, then you can't just ignore the answer. I know some people feel we shouldn't have had the referendum but honestly I do think there was a lot simmering beneath the surface, a lot of unhappiness and anxiety and it wouldn't have gone away by not holding a referendum.

Once you open the door to that, say, well okay this was a democratic decision but we don't agree so we'll ignore it - well, to me, that's the tip of a dangerous iceberg. Whether you feel it's a wise answer or not, once the question has been asked, to then ignore it and do the opposite is not the democratic way. And the opposite of democracy is not what I want. Establishing a precedent whereby you just in effect override the majority response (and I know majority doesn't mean everybody) isn't something I'd necessarily worry about with Brexit and the lib dems. But it is of grave concern that some ten or twenty years down the line once that precedent has been set some corrupt party could use that as a way to hang onto power in a scupulous and sinister way.

So I understand why the LDs are saying what they are but to vote for overriding democracy? I can't do that.

Because the LibDems are a joke and Corbyn is a deluded lunatic. Plus, we are still struggling with the damage that Blair did to our country.
The Conservatives are the best of a terrible bunch I'm afraid. It's a shame there's nobody decent worth voting for.

@Pinkandwhiteblossoms sorry I meant even if the SNP do get in again...

Re the LDs I wouldn't believe anything they say anyway.

I think part of the problem with the referendums is that people have been allowed to lie and scaremonger.

If everyone was bound by law to tell the truth and be able to evidence what they say, I think the result would be justified and trustworthy but as it stands, people were at best mislead and at worst down right lied to.

What really frustrates me is that people don't educate themselves, they believe largely what they see and hear in the news/media, when it's been shown time and time again that the media have their own agenda and it often depends who they are connected with.

Well, the SNP look pretty much guaranteed to get in and sturgeon will eventually get the outcome she wants.

So if we can't vote for LDs because we can't believe them, that really answers the question you pose in your OP, doesn't it? :) I mean, you speak of being frustrated that people don't 'educate themselves' but you have had answers that show a level of education or knowledge at any rate.

I can't think of a single good reason to vote Tory:
The deficit has actually got worse under their watch (since 2010).
The NHS is on its knees.
Schools are starved of money.
The social care system is about to collapse.
Hard Brexit is going to wreck the economy and reduce the opportunities open to our children. The Brexit vote was based on lies and many leave voters did not want to leave the single market or the customs union, so the Tory path is not justified.
Personally, I run my own company, so you'd think I'd be pro-Tory, but I find that we are still paying a hell of a lot of tax and the money is being spent on something I vehemently oppose - Brexit. Furthermore, by taking us out of the customs union and the single market, I no longer consider them to be 'business-minded'. So despite vowing never to vote for them again after 2010, I'll be voting Lib Dem in June.

I am a Tory voter because of the following:

• During the Labour years, minimum wage didn't exist when I was young. I was still taxed 17%.
• When my ex moved out and was left to pay rent on my low income job, nobody would give me any help. It's the one and only time I've ever needed to ask for help. Meanwhile, numerous friends were given council flats and lived on quite a lot more than I did for having unplanned children.

(I'm not saying they didn't deserve help, but I'm stumped as to why I didn't.) So I got a 2nd and 3rd job.

• Labour proved that the only way they can make everything run smoothly is by bankrupting us. On the eve of Brexit, I don't think owing a fuck-ton of money to anyone else is a wise plan.
• Corbyn is about as capable as a fish on a bicycle and wetter than a whale's wang.
• Tories have introduced some good stuff. For instance, there's a living wage which goes up each year. Tax brackets are much more fair than they were under labour. I did a P/T job last year and didn't pay any tax at all. Under Labour, I'd have been left with an amount that wouldn't have made it worth bothering with.
• however unpopular what I'm about to say next is, I DID know people who chose benefits as a lifestyle choice. And it pissed me off that I'd worked all my life, couldn't afford to have kids because Labour taxed that away.
• Now in middle age when we're finally doing ok (and finally have a child) I will fight tooth and nail for Labour not to take it from us again because we're above the average wage bracket. I had years of being poor with Labour taking from MY meagre plate to feed those that were better fed than us. I prefer a world where you have the chance to better yourself without it being taken away.
• we don't receive tax credits or child benefit. I could have under the previous Labour gov, but guess what? It still would have been less than what we paid in tax.

The NHS.
Well that was already in dire straits and in plans to be privatised when Labour were still in Government. Mainly because they kept borrowing and pissing our money away.

I realise I'm going to get shot down for this. The question was asked, and that's my honest answer.

People who vote Conservative couldn't care less about anyone less fortunate than them. They're alright Jack and want to keep it that way. It's a genuinely despicable view of the world.

Theresa May deserve s own clear mandate to lead the Brexit negotiations from a position of strength that's why I wl vote for them we need a leader who can lead

I cant believe anything the torys say or labour

So i will just have to pick the best of the liars

Or do i mean the worst

Ive confused myself now

I shall vote conservative & here are my reasons, though I expect to be shot down in flames much like HolditFinger does.
It's pretty obvious that I'm older than most on here...one of the despised "wrinklies" who shouldn't be allowed to vote according to many.
I lived as a newly wed through the Labour years of the three day week, the incessant strikes that brought the country to it's knees. With a young baby we had power cuts every single night for weeks on end, in winter, not just overnight but in the evenings, resorting to candles, a primus stove to cook an evening meal, while the unions called strike after strike.
Lucky enough through both of us working to be able to buy a small house, we paid high interest rates on the mortgage, up to 17% & never less than 12%.
We worked our socks off to provide a home for the kids but were treading water all the time. We never claimed a penny in benefits, there were none for working people anyway & we didn't expect them.
Then Maggie Thatcher got in....yes the HATED Maggie.
But for us & our friends similarly working things began to improve.
She did things I never agreed with, shutting the pits & privatising the utilities amongst them, but if you worked you could improve your lot & the country slowly got back on it's feet.

Then we got Blair. The blatant lie that they inherited a huge deficit, completely untrue. The country was in better shape than it had been for years.
They blew the lot ( " There's no money left") & took us into the illegal war that he still hasn't been held accountable for.

We were asked to vote once not on joining the Common Market but on staying in as it was already a fait accompli, thanks to Heath's betrayal of our once great fishing industry, a trading organisation not the over bloated beurocratic behemoth that it has grown into, which hasn't had its books signed off for years.
Some of us can remember what this country was like when this wasn't under the yoke of Europe or a tax squeezing Labour government.

Thanks @Darklane and @HolditFinger what you've both said is really interesting! Makes me understand a bit better why people still vote for them.

@Pinkandwhiteblossoms I hope you're right about the SNP and you're right about the educated answers, that's why I put this on MN because I knew I would get a proper discussion here with people from all sides of the argument. Mostly (because I'm in Scotland I think) the debate goes between SNP bad and Tory bad but no one has given real reasons for either side and it turns in to a slanging match, but I knew MNers would be spot on!

@twattymctwatterson I think that is true of some of them but I think like most things, people only see it from their own perspective and not others, which is natural, but I think we should all try and see it from each others perspective even if we don't agree

Theresa May is a liar and a hypocrite. Easter Sunday was the last time she said there would be no GE until 2020... what could have possibly changed in those few days to make her do a 180? She was also against Brexit and now she is championing it. She is negotiating all of our futures, unelected yet, Holyrood, Plaid Cymru and the Northern Ireland Executive who's leaders were all elected will have no say whatsoever.

She lied on easter Sunday????!!!!???

Oh my god she is going to hell

Its a really tricky one this time. I'm normally a Lib Dem leaner. Have voted Tory. Have never and will never vote Labour (Blair, Corbyn, stories like Holdits).

Am a passionate remainer but I think that ship has sailed, I don't think the GE should just be about the arse ache that is Brexit.

Darklane...I remember the three day week, the power cuts. If you've been born after you that you have no idea of the sheer misery that was.

Old and decrepit as I am now I would hate to have to go through those dark days again. Dark literally. Candles which we take for granted now were bloody expensive.
Having a bath by candlelight was not the romantic indulgence it appears to be now.
YOu went from one dark room to another holding your candle in a cold house.

Imagine the fire risk it was.

Dh has just reminded me that it was the labour government who signed the ATOS contracts.

And why just why did Gordon Brown sell our gold!