Trump (Part 5)

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Continuation of the discussion on all things Trump and the people's revolutions

If you're looking for a gentle laugh amongst the bleakness, this is quite funny:

Here's mayor Trump saying he's going to be bigly successful,
and do everything he said he'd do
or the opposite of that
or both at the same time
"I'll have to ask my friend Vladimir to decide" he said, his tiny hands flapping excitedly.

And girls from that culture stop PE and some games anyway, because it can break the hymen. A GP letter is not required to be excused from PE because of your faith.

Neither of those statements is true. PE and games are on the national curriculum, and you cannot be excused from them because of your faith.

What I didn't post from the guidance was the even longer list of warning signs that FGM might be planned, and we know that that has been effective. Or is that more tippy-toeing?

Oh lord thats funny!!

Thank you

Really looking forward to Rogue One, dh says a true star wars fan wouldnt boycott it for anything

Dh says unless they have given darth vader a blonde quiff its a load of bollocks....which is funny for him

Oh god!!!!!

Obviously i was referring to lwejis and squishys posts

But a girl will not put her parents into trouble with the authorities, and she's also been told that she will not make a good marriage if she is not cut. What can she do, what can anyone do? She's living in Europe but still has to submit to her parents will.

What can be done, and sometimes is, is taking steps to prevent the child leaving the country or even temporary care proceedings.

But, again, Southall, what do you say "liberals" (or indeed anyone else) should be doing that they aren't doing? And how are they allowing it to flourish?

The suffragettes were badass. The feminists of today are weak

The Suffragettes were serious about their cause, because some of them could have been disinherited by their families, and a number definitely were. Consider the seriousness of that in those days. A woman would not have been able to make a good marriage, she had no dowry, and contact with her family was forbidden by the father usually. She could not return to her home and had to live in rented accommodation.

Nowadays, we have "trigger" warnings cooked up and applied by students in uni and college lectures, and a student can walk out of a class if the subject 'upsets' them. There are facts that might distress in every facet of life, but so what? Learning is about learning everything, not just the bits you can tolerate.

That's why we there are so many special snowflakes who do a lot of shouting slogans du jour, a bit of rallying, etc but who themselves are complete fakes. They manage to convince a few on the campus of their authenticity due to their boldness, but they know little, have given up nothing and have a home to return to.

Back to Trump. I know he's got his fingers stuffed firmly in his ears over the Russian hacking business, but why is he not joining Obama in outright condemning even the possibility of a foreign power interfering in a US election?

deep

Because putin is his lovebunny

True fact

What can be done, and sometimes is, is taking steps to prevent the child leaving the country

You hv to have evidence for the courts to grant a warrant to detain.

Neither of those statements is true. PE and games are on the national curriculum, and you cannot be excused from them because of your

It doesnt matter that they are on the NC. Strict faith parents do not allow PE. Some schools are not confident about girls doing PE with a hijab, which some girls will not remove even when there are no males around. I don't see many all-girls schools around these days, so obviously in co-eds girls cannot remove hijab.

So what do you think should be done Southall?

I'll just park this here. For everyone enamoured with con-artist Trump.

Well yes, of course you have to have evidence to stop a family leaving the country. So what, Southall?

You're still evading the questions: how do you say liberals allow FGM to flourish, and what do you say should be done to stop it?

So what do you think should be done Southall?

I have no views on this, Kaija. It seems to me that change has to come from within - dont you?

Yes, South, change has to come from within.

Thank you for finally admiting that liberals are not allowing it to flourish after all.

Rufus, why was your OH linking Darth Vader and Trump? What gave him that idea?

how do you say liberals allow FGM to flourish

I told you a few pages back. Rules, regs, teaching observational skills to teachers are in place but no one can proceed to the next step, because the girl involved will obviously not split on her family. Liberals set up and put in place the above knowing full well that no agency can intervene. It's window dressing to pacify those of us concerned about such matters that they are living up to their right-on credentials.

It's paperwork masquerading as action.

When he's grinning he reminds me more of Jabba the Hut. Complete with a penchant for scantily clad women and grabbing them by force. Plus a fondness for ego trips and spectacle.

South, there are agencies trying to work with the families and within the cultures.

You haven't said what more people from outside their culture or liberals are supposed to be doing.
And it wouldn't be just liberals. Are you saying non liberals do more?
If anything, you could say that our society is failing them. Liberals maybe the ones even trying to address it. The right couldn't care less.

Southall, I don't understand how you could have spent most of yesterday trying to persuade us that fgm is the fault of liberals while having no view on any possible solution nor any idea what we should we be doing that is not already happening. What a complete waste of everyone's time.

there are agencies trying to work with the families and within the cultures. If anything, you could say that our society is failing them.

It is not up to this country, or any European country, to prise immigrants away from their customs, or to teach them they should dispense with the cruel ones. They know very well what is illegal. Our society is not failing them; they are failing this society, the one they chose to live in. They know FGM is illegal in this country, so it is done overseas. It's an intransigence that even the threat of "laws" does not modify. It can also be a fuck-you to their adopted country - I've come across enough mothers with that attitude.

The Muslim Women's Network does some good work from within communities in the UK. They accept donations Southall, if you're interested? Campaigners like Jaha Dukureh are also active in the US and beyond.

I am so glad to have an excuse to watch Rogue 1 several times over now, thanks boycotters!

So what was your point South? That it's all liberals fault, or that nothing can be done because the communities are too intransigent? You keep contradicting yourself.

A solution I read on the internet, Kaija, is profiling and questionnaire but that is a road no govt wants to go down and it's another dead end anyway. But as you're such a smartypants, let's hear it.

I meant failing them as failing the girls.
Again, no clue on the specific role of liberals...

Yes, it is up to us to prise people - immigrants or not - away from customs that are unlawful in this country. We don't allow bigamous marriages despite the fact that that is accepted within some cultures. We take action to protect people who are mentally ill when the response of their community is to conduct ceremonies to get rid of evil spirits. We don't allow child marriages. We don't allow the illegal practices of Satanism.

I'll ask yet again - how do you claim liberals are allowing FGM to flourish?