Trump (Part 5)

[claig]

Continuation of the discussion on all things Trump and the people's revolutions

Bertrand - We are on MN so best not to.

Why not?

Have to finish my letter to RAC and then I'm going over to another thread that has just opened. Cheerio.

Perhaps you're right, uncontrolled.

"Bertrand - We are on MN so best not to"

What does this mean? That you have a solution to the horrific problem of fgm that is itself so awful it cannot be discussed on here? And yet will stop it happening?

Anyway. On Trump, a rallying cry for the resistance from Paul Krugman here:

www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/opinion/useful-idiots-galore.amp.html?client=safari

Feminists will say it is a patriarchal practice but they wouldn't dare protest outside a Muslim community

What do you think a protest by women that are not even part of the community accomplish?

inkata

I have reported on threads and not always said that i have

Its in case it doesnt get deleted and i look like a right twat going

"I am telling mumsnet off you!!!"

I do usually say i have reported...its just occasionally, like on this thread

Not going to say if it was deleted or not...the whole looking like a twat thing

What do you think a protest by women that are not even part of the community accomplish?

That you are women and you don't tolerate such a practice? Maybe you can hand out literature by Germaine Greer or something?

Nothing can actually be done - that's the point

So, you have no solutions and no real justification of how liberals encourage FGM to flourish.
Not even that FGM is indeed flourishing.

But you have time to post that you are doing something else.

That you are women and you don't tolerate such a practice?

And that accomplishes what?

What are the consequences of that lack of tolerance?

And that accomplishes what?
What are the consequences of that lack of tolerance?

You tell me. You know what feminism wants to achieve better than what I do. Clearly they don't want to stop FGM

Good grief.

So, you have no solutions and no real justification of how liberals encourage FGM to flourish

Well-meaning liberals set up great checklists, and teachers improve their observational skills to FBI standard, but the point is no one can act on suspicion. Only if a girl collapses at school and the school nurse sees blood and then on further investigation ........

But a girl will not put her parents into trouble with the authorities, and she's also been told that she will not make a good marriage if she is not cut. What can she do, what can anyone do? She's living in Europe but still has to submit to her parents will.

FGM is bad enough, but there is also total infibulation which I believe is still popular in some parts of the world. Before the woman gives birth, she has to be opened up with scalpel otherwise she cannot deliver.

I've been trying to find out what happens afterwards, because the husband becomes anxious and demanding that after delivery his wife is sewn up again. As it's illegal to do that in any UK hospital, I dont know what happens.

""The challenge is that you need to work on many levels. You need to work on people's convictions, that this practice does not do what they think it does," says Germaine Haddad, program officer at the UNFPA Egypt office.

Changing deep-seated cultural customs and behaviors will be tough where pressure from society and family members to continue tradition is intense."

europe.newsweek.com/fgm-rates-have-doubled-us-2004-304773

Misss, you're missing it again.

You're the one saying feminists should protest. So, you tell me what that would accomplish. How would protesting by white women change a whole set of cultural values?

Feminists have been working to develop laws about it and working with the communities. But you think protesting outside mosques is more effective. Why?

South, we are aware of what the problem is and how difficult to improve.
But you blamed liberals. Yet, you've not shown how liberals are at fault.
What more do you want liberals to do?

Again, you tell me. You have the divine knowledge or Greer, Dwakin, Steinem etc

The suffragettes would laugh at how much of a soft bunch you are

South, we are aware of what the problem is and how difficult to improve

Instead you attack straight white men and talk about this supernatural force you call 'patriarchy'

Misss, I know it's Friday, but stay off the wine.

"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish."
Euripides, The Bacchae

"Instead you attack straight white men and talk about this supernatural force you call 'patriarchy"

Well this is a Trump thread. What's supernatural about the patriarchy?

Do I talk about patriarchy?
I've done a search and I used that word twice on MN.

Does anyone else feel as if they've stepped through the looking glass?

Misss, I know it's Friday, but stay off the wine.

I prefer my Polish vodka if anything

A little, Bertrand, but it's becoming quite a familiar feeling lately.

Put me in mind a bit of this quite interesting article which I posted yesterday on another thread.

brexit24.com/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-times-troll/

Kaija you are aware troll-hunting is against the site rules right?