Trump (Part 5)

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Continuation of the discussion on all things Trump and the people's revolutions

Some girls still are sent abroad to 'the old lady' to perform, but more are remaining in the UK where they have painkillers at their disposal, antibiotics and cleanliness. Rooms are rented by the half-day in Wimpole and Harley Streets.

By liberals, right?

Losing the thread. It's that cognitive dissolution again. That's the stage after dissonance where it all unravels.

The updated NYT webpage on all of Trump's insults is the best. He seems like a really kind man. I'd like to have him as a friend (well, I certainly wouldn't want him as an enemy).

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=1

I'm actually really confused about why some insults are OK (see NY Times page passim) and others, like 'homophobic', aren't. Why is it more acceptable to define a person as 'crooked' or 'dumb' than 'homophobic'? All of these reduce a person to one attribute. So I suppose does kind.

By liberals, right?

I dont know. Afterall, the child sex exploitation was (i) illegal, and (ii) known to quite a few people.

I don't care how sensitive to racism you claim to be Southall. You have not seen one single racist utterance from me on this thread and should have the grace to withdraw what was on any interpretation a highly offensive accusation.

Why some people, including "the blacks" and other non-white groups, have said that Trump is racist:

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

That included not renting to black people.

Southall, as usual, you haven't come up with one smidgeon of evidence that liberals cause or encourage FGM to flourish. But that is not of course in the least surprising.

Afterall, the child sex exploitation was (i) illegal, and (ii) known to quite a few people.

By liberals?
Not right wing people?

And are you actually saying that "liberals" (as a group) send children to be mutilated? That they support it and encourage it?

Do you know of any "liberal" (left wing) person who knows about a case of FGM and hasn't reported it? That allows it to flourish?

"I'm actually really confused about why some insults are OK (see NY Times page passim) and others, like 'homophobic', aren't. Why is it more acceptable to define a person as 'crooked' or 'dumb' than 'homophobic'? All of these reduce a person to one attribute. So I suppose does kind."

It is really interesting. What strikes me about this discussion is that those who would like to see an end to political correctness are surprisingly keen to control the words that others use. Which suggests that freedom of speech is not in fact the issue at all, rather they are using "political correctness" simply as shorthand for a liberal worldview that they dislike.

Lweji - the sex exploitation gangs were known to the Labour-controlled councils, and the liberal or hard Left employees such as social workers and council workers.

Furthermore, the police chiefs appointed under Tony Blair's govt also knew that there was gangs consisting of mostly Pakistani men, who were abusing white girls. All of this is documented in various newspapers and the report. The left liberals were too nervous to intervene on the girls' behalf and do their fucking job.

You are so right, Kaija.

they are using "political correctness" simply as shorthand for a liberal worldview that they dislike

The other way around. You are using shorthand to malign a person who does not share your entire world view.

Rotherham Council did not want to be called XXphobe so much that they avoided doing their job.

Why the ""? (because it's misspelt?)

Sorry my misspelling there Lweji. I ought to know by now how to spell your name - you're here most of the time.

Perhaps you've never seen them because they've been removed?

That thread was there for a whole day. In fact it's been started again this afternoon under a different heading - still attacking the same celebrity. Not quite as nasty this time. I haven't reported it yet.

In any case, Trump has been called racist. Many of his supporting base have been called racist, but that's because they are. Some are actually white supremacists. Not all of his supporters are racist, but they have been asked why they support a racist candidate.

It's a weak notion. It's not racist to want to talk about issues around folk who do not live in the US and protecting borders. The existence of small white supremacist groups doesn't negate the whole Trump movement. You will always get groups like that in all countries - who think they are superior.

"The other way around. You are using shorthand to malign a person who does not share your entire world view."

What person?

liberal or hard Left employees such as social workers and council workers.

You know of their political views?

But that's about a different subject. You were talking about allowing FGM to flourish.

In any case, in Rotherham it was an unfortunate case where the police and council leaders did fail those girls.
It's a long shot to accuse "liberals" in general.

Yes, it is difficult to get it right in terms of racism and how it's handled. It's an ongoing process and it could easily go overboard in either direction. Still, it is a good thing that racism (and other isms, or phobisms) is discussed and addressed. Hopefully, humanity will eventually strike a reasonable balance.

It's a weak notion. It's not racist to want to talk about issues around folk who do not live in the US and protecting borders. The existence of small white supremacist groups doesn't negate the whole Trump movement.

I don't mean it negates the movement. But do look at the link.
The problem is how he addresses and deals with folk who do live in the US.

And racism is just one of the problems with Trump. I understand that he appeals to many people who wanted change, and even have decent ideals. But, there are also many who are nasty. Including people he's now included in his administration. And Trump is not the person to bring about change or make the US a better place. Sadly.

And Trump is not the person to bring about change or make the US a better place. Sadly.

Lweji - you seem to feel very passionate about this. I'm curious to know why you need to post every day on this subject.

Partly because the discussion is entertaining, but mostly because I worry about the effects that Trump as President will have.
It's a wider problem, as well, with populism and right wing extremism rising.

Sadly, it's taking too much of my time, even from MN.

Same as Lweji, but with a bit more emphasis on the worry and a bit less on the entertainment.

Trump said that a judge could not be impartial because he came from a Mexican background. How is that not racist?

Southall, why are you ignoring my request that you withdraw the highly offensive label you applied to me?

Lweji - the sex exploitation gangs were known to the Labour-controlled councils, and the liberal or hard Left employees such as social workers and council workers.

Unsurprisingly, that is not an answer to Lweji's question, which was:

"And are you actually saying that "liberals" (as a group) send children to be mutilated? That they support it and encourage it?"

Would you care to answer, Southall?

And are you actually saying that "liberals" (as a group) send children to be mutilated?

There are no liberals who favour FGM for their girls. Those girls are born into a culture in which females have to be controlled. However, the practice in this country could be reduced but it's such a sensitive topic with our Regressive Lefties that they would rather not touch it.

"And are you actually saying that "liberals" (as a group) send children to be mutilated? That they support it and encourage it?"

Of course not but they hardly discourage it if it is done by Jews/Muslims/non-whites etc

Have any of you actually followed the campaigns against FGM?

What more do you think can be done? It's in close communities. Done in secret or abroad. Not found out about until it's too late. It's hard to find out who did it. Quite literally it's people in the community who may know about it.

Any suggestions?

And how exactly is it "allowed to flourish"?
Is it even flourishing, at all?
Do you have evidence that it's flourishing?

What do you mean "they hardly discourage it", Southall? Have you ever come across a case of a liberal knowing that FGM is happening doing nothing about it?