Trump (Part 5)

[claig]

Continuation of the discussion on all things Trump and the people's revolutions

claig, you've gone strangely quiet over the issue of Trump deliberately publicising the contact details of an 18 year old girl so that he his delightful followers could make rape and death threats against her.

How is any of this insulting to Pence, let alone his daughters.

...But Pence was very gracious and said he didn't feel insulted or disrespected at all

So you accept he wasn't insulted, claig. Why try to claim he was?

'claig, you've gone strangely quiet over the issue of Trump deliberately publicising the contact details of an 18 year old girl so that he his delightful followers could make rape and death threats against her.'

No I haven't. I told you she was a Jeb Bush plant and about rape and death threats, they are nothing to do with Trump and may even be by elite plants, i don't know.

I don't think he'd be able to do that Deepan (surely there would be too much opposition) but even spreading rumours and unfounded fears about this kind of thing has serious consequences - just look at the Wakefield scandal, and he wasn't nearly as influential as Trump will be.
It validates the mad anti-vaxxers, and seeds uncertainty in the minds of worried parents.

How much cognitive dissonance do you need to champion free speech in one breath and celebrate witch hunts in the next?

A Claigload.

'So you accept he wasn't insulted, claig. Why try to claim he was?'

Of course he was insulted which is why Trump took to twitter immediately and demanded that the cast "apologize". But Pence played it brilliantly and said he didn't feel the political grandstanders had disrespected him at all. It was a master move by Pence that had the elite's teams hopping mad as he made them look like chumps, something they have become all too used to.

'How much cognitive dissonance do you need to champion free speech in one breath and celebrate witch hunts in the next?'

It was the mainstream media that used the term "witch hunt", Trump was just taking names, they are different things.

Trump isn't a mystical force. He can't click his fingers and reset women's rights around the world

You're right Missswatch he can't. However, the surest way to backslide on women's rights is for everyone to stop defending the ones we have, and stop pushing for improved rights. Which is what you seem to want us to do....

He can't click his fingers and make all the wondrous things Claig's expecting happen either...

Totally. Back to the stone age with us

'He can't click his fingers and make all the wondrous things Claig's expecting happen either...'

Give it time, he is not even in yet. and he has already got the elites tied up in knots, Jonathan Freedland losing it and the BBC clutching at straws.

Trump is a biznessman, he means bizness.

You're reverting to 5 again.

It must be all that spin. Not healthy.

'It must be all that spin. Not healthy.'

You are right. That is why I try to limit my BBC viewing.

Oh, claig, the BBC has nothing on you. Or Trump. They are amateur spinners.

The spinning is causing the liberal brains to spin

"The spinning is causing the liberal brains to spin"

It certainly is. I literally have no idea what you and Claig are talking about!

Claig, the question about the supposed Jeb Bush plant that you have ignored was:

Does it occur to you that that 18 year old girl genuinely wanted to know the answer to her questions and genuinely (and for obvious reasons) felt Trump was not a friend to women? And that, even if she was a plant, she did not deserve to be deliberately put by a very powerful man into a position where he knew very well she would attract death and rape threats? What an utterly despicable thing to do.

I note you've now come up with the convenient idea that the people who made the threats weren't Trump's followers which, with every respect, should be beneath you. When Trump decided to publicise her name and contact details, what do you think he expected to happen? How do you think he could guarantee that no-one would use that information threaten her? Do you think it is acceptable for a Presidential candidate or a President elect to take that risk with a young girl's safety?

No-one except you and the madder Trump supporters think the Hamilton cast looked like chumps, claig.

'Does it occur to you that that 18 year old girl genuinely wanted to know the answer to her questions and genuinely (and for obvious reasons) felt Trump was not a friend to women? And that, even if she was a plant,'

No, because she was a plant for Jeb Bush.

'When Trump decided to publicise her name and contact details, what do you think he expected to happen?'

Her name was all over the internet before Trump tweeted. Trump didn't find it out, he read it online or someone else did.

' what do you think he expected to happen?'

I think Trump probably expected CNN and the BBC to report that she was a plant.

'How do you think he could guarantee that no-one would use that information threaten her?'

How could Trump guarantee that an elite plant would not tweet a threat to her? Trump doesn't control twitter. Twitter are the ones saying they were looking at banning him.

'Do you think it is acceptable for a Presidential candidate or a President elect to take that risk with a young girl's safety?'

I don't believe teh mainstream media's narrative that Trump tweeting that she was a plant risked her safety. Is Trump supposed to applaud Jeb Bush for using a plant and applaud the media for not reporting on it? That is why Trump goes to twitter, to get the truth out because as he said about the media "the room full of liars" as he calls them, they won't bring the truth out.

The girl in question, whilst an intern for Jeb Bush, went to the rally of her own accord, and was not a 'plant'.

How easy it is to say that when you've been challenged by a woman and got cheers at a rally by other women, our Donald's very touchy isn't he?

And so bloody what if she was paid to ask the question - no one should have their personal details revealed online for fear of the nutjobs who'll come out the woodwork, she had a year of cyber bullying. Appalling and all because of Trump's ego.

claig she was not a plant. Get that one out of your head. It's just a convenient excuse for Trump's awful behaviour.

"She was asked about Trump's claim that she was a staffer for his Republican presidential rival, Jeb Bush. Batchelder said she did work for the Bush campaign, but only as a volunteer, and that she actually considers herself a liberal.
"I had volunteered for the campaign because I think it's important to volunteer for people you don't necessarily agree with," she said. "I mean, Mr. Bush is a very nice guy, but ultimately I am a Democrat, so I would never, ever, go in there with a planted question."

And so bloody what if she was paid to ask the question - no one should have their personal details revealed online for fear of the nutjobs who'll come out the woodwork, she had a year of cyber bullying. Appalling and all because of Trump's ego.

Very much this.
No excuse.

Does it not occur to Trump and his followers that you can be on a politician's staff and still have independent views of your own? If so, it speaks volumes for what goes on in Trump's office.

And no, Trump doesn't get to publicise a young girls' contact details and disclaim all responsibility for the death and rape threats that follow. A responsible man simply does not do that. A responsible man would tell his followers to stop publicising her details and to leave her alone, but guess what, that doesn't seem to have happened.

There is so much evidence about Trump's lack of judgment, his pettiness, his lies, and his inherently sleazy nature, and it just isn't good enough to keep denying it and keep trotting out these hysterical rants about Blair, a politician who has been out of power for ever nine years. At some point you and many others are going to have to stop deceiving yourselves, claig, and it is going to be an almighty disappointment to you.