Trump (Part 2)

[claig]

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

squishy I'm glad I didn't include "spin" in the list. I'd be very by now ...

Exactly, Lweji. It's not that I think the right thing to do is always straightforward - sometimes getting involved in a war to protect civilians can drag the war out longer and hurt more, sometimes standing by is the worst option. But the lack of nuance, the lack of any recognition the Putin for example is anything less than wonderful, and the blind denial winds me up sometimes.

And, I feel really churlish posting this as it is so petty compared to the attitude to Syria (and of course the idea that the wives and children of terrorists are legitimate targets), but this is another example of the Trump family being removed somewhat from the "common man":
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/hunting-animals-just-like-golf-8477026

Informal:

^childish, not churlish I have no idea how my autocorrect managed that.

claig - I think Fillon can beat Le Pen comfortably as he would attract a lot of the more reticent, but desperate, Le Pen supporters. But of course campaigns can go wrong.

Thanks, Bobochic

I think Trump, with his business viewpoint, is going to challenge a lot of conventional wisdom, as he already has with his campaign. A cheque writing democrat for most of the previous decade he knows how the system works.

Just looking at the big ticket policies, protectionism in the economy is traditionally a policy of the left, so too immigration. He's always been in favour of state provided health care which marks him away from the right and all aboard the gay train, also typical of the left.

Indeed his message was aimed squarely at Blue collar America which is undeniably the demographic that leftist politicians seek. So too his speeches which vilify the banks, corporate greed and corruption.

Of course some of his policies are clearly right wing, cutting taxes and regulation, increasing the size of the military.

On the latter though he hasn't made his thoughts clear, though he pretty much has in his previous writings. He is very much against what he calls the prestige projects, over complicated and ferociously expensive, in particular the f35 which is the most expensive military program in history.

So I wonder whether he really will increase military spending, I'm not sure he has ever explicitly stated an increase in funds.

You see when he gets into the white house I'm not sure he's going to like what he sees. The US military budget is huge though people rarely analyse where the money actually goes.

Merely looking at the amount spent on overseas military bases, there are over one hundred US installations in Germany alone, I'd be surprised if the total wasn't well North of $100 billion annually. Maybe double that.

Of course these arent just costs, these are also subsidies to the host nations who supply the bases with everything from food to labour and benefit from the dollars spent locally.

There are so many US troops abroad that it wouldn't surprise me if the exchanging of dollars to local currency wasn't enough to have a small deflationary effect.

Which we know is the opposite of his aims.

Viewed through a businessman's eyes such largesse which has been the unchanged status quo since the end of the second world war just does not make sense. Unless of course they pay for it directly, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

Trump is notoriously tight, as I suspect Europe is about to find out.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/26/boost-uk-us-trade-deal-emerges-paul-ryan-backs-new-agreement/

and all the right noises keep coming from the President Elect team. Keep at 'em Trump

More on fake news. It's in the NY Times so is clearly fake news itself . Helps explain why the English is good as well - can just lift stories from English language satire sites.

As I say Edith, their sights are firmly fixed on wiki leaks, though they can't explicitly say so.

Don't get me wrong you would see threads started based upon Facebook news stories and the like though they are comprehensively disproved within a post or two.

The idea being floated by the msm in the states simply isn't credible and has rather sinister overtones.

Trump sells, simply put. He even complained about making the networks rich based on their stories bashing him which increased their ratings considerably.

Meanwhile he simply stopped doing press conferences and has now started publishing himself on YouTube. Which obviously isn't good for the msm.

If Trump gets in on Jan 20, the world will never have seen the like of the pace of change that is coming. Common sense will sweep the world. The poor EU puppets won't know what hit them. The elites are in total panic, clueless.

And Trump is only going to meet with the most amazing Sheriff the world has ever seen as a possible Homeland Security Chief pick, the legendary Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke. If the elites try any tricks, God help them. Puppets are in total panic.

"Sheriff David Clarke To Meet With President-Elect Trump Monday, Eyed As DHS Secretary"

townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/26/sheriff-david-clarke-to-meet-with-presidentelect-trump-monday-eyed-as-dhs-secretary-n2250897

In case anyone has not seen Sheriff David Clarke, here is his

Does anyone have any news on Assange? There are a few disturbing rumours going around.

Just been reading about that. Supposedly a journalist called Youmna Naufal spoke to him today, but who knows what is really going on?

Any news on what Sheriff Roscoe B. Coltrane has said on this subject, though?

Spin: "He is very much against what he calls the prestige projects, over complicated and ferociously expensive" : Unless he thinks he can get a bordering country to pay for them, of course!
His policies to me seem to be a mixture of "offer everyone everything" (tax cuts, increase spending, increase jobs etc), which seems deeply unrealistic, and security crackdowns which appeal to people's fears. There's no detail there.

"Trump is notoriously tight, as I suspect Europe is about to find out" : yes he's always been much better at enriching himself than other people.

"Trump sells, simply put." I 100% agree with you here spin. It was his skills as a reality star that won him the election, not his skills as a businessman. He knows that making outrageous statements (wether he believes in them or not) will get him coverage, and that there's no such thing as bad publicity. Clickbait in human form.
My concern is that although many will have voted for him despite of the awful rhetoric, some will have voted for him because of it. Although Claig says "the people took him seriously not literally", I don't think this was true of everyone at all. And fanning up flames and exploiting divisions during a time of economic problems and security concerns, just to gain more power is dangerous.

Someone should make a film of this thread. My jaw hits the floor several times each page. Just wow!

Me too shirley.

I want to come back in 2 years time and talk again.

I know it was posted hours ago, but I loved the article setphasers linked. Brilliant.

Yes, I shared that

I shared too. It summed it all up.

"My jaw hits the floor several times each page"

Shirley, if your jaw has hit the flaw at each page of this thread, imagine what the elite's jaws have been doing.

Their jaws have been going up and down like a yoyo, their heads have been spinning and their pulses have been rocketing at each page of the thread. They have braced themselves and have had to read the thread in order to try and find out what the hell has happened to them and why.

They have given up listening to their teams because none of the teams saw it coming. The whizzkids told them, and I quote, "don't worry, it will be alright on the night". Well they believed their whizzkids and retired early with a hot cocoa on the night of Nov 8 and woke up on Nov 9 to find Trump fans going nuts, Hillary missing and AWOL, tears among all the TV news reporters, the BBC in mourning, Channel 4 News off the air, teams and whizzkids in panic nd they realised their world had collapsed and their jaws hit the floor and have remained there ever since.

"Blame The Elites For The Trump Phenomenon
...
"He tells you the problem with elites is not that they are too conservative or too liberal, but that they are stupid and don’t care about you. He tells you, with confidence, that he alone can make everything great again. And you listen.

Could Donald Trump’s rise have been possible in the absence of the parade of horribles the elites offered up over the past two decades? The answer is no. Our elite leadership class sowed the wind, and Donald Trump is the whirlwind they reaped."

thefederalist.com/2016/09/14/blame-the-elites-for-the-trump-phenomenon/

"He tells you the problem with elites is not that they are too conservative or too liberal, but that they are stupid and don’t care about you. He tells you, with confidence, that he alone can make everything great again. And you listen."

It is as simple as that. He told the truth, he said what everyone was thinking

"we are led by very, very stupid people, very, very stupid people"

and they are threatening us with Blair's return, which just goes to prove how "very, very stupid" they are

"And fanning up flames and exploiting divisions during a time of economic problems and security concerns, just to gain more power is dangerous."

Yet these are the same flames that Bernie Sanders stoked, he voted against every trade deal and the occupy wall street mob saw him as their candidate.

Trump didn't create the divisions, they are there due to the structural weakness which has seen all economic gains since the late 90s fall to improve the lot of the average Joe.

It is the same of course in the UK. Add in austerity and you have the cauldron from which revolution springs.

Which comes neatly back to Bannon and his strategy of destroying the powers that be.

What form will this take?