Trump (Part 2)

[claig]

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

'but he is on very dangerous ground when finger pointing at the Paris elite. He is very much part of the political establishment and lives a very elite lifestyle.'

Absolutely, Bobochic. But this just shows the hypocrisy of the elites and the contempt they have for the people who they think are too stupid to see through them. And it is becase the elites are in fact stupid, they use teenage whizzkids, who are clueless, to try and spin the people and the people have had enough of them. I predict Blair will be told to say the same things as Fillon, that is all the teenage whizzkids have got left.

The reason Trump beat them all is because we all know that the elites and their whizzkids are useless and "very, very stupid people".

None of us mind elites, we don't want to be run by plonkers, but Blair and the people above him are prize plonkers and all across the Western world people have had enough of these "very, very stuid people" and their even stupider teenage whizzkids who set the policy and write the speeches for the spinners who serve the elites and look down on the people.

Trump said it best and that is why the people love him, because they love free speech and the truth

"we are led by very, very stupid people"

Nature always helps the people in the end. It is the end of rule by "very, very stupid people", even though Blair is threatening a comeback, and the return of common sense and common goodness for the common people.

I don't think Francois Fillon is stupid. He is, mostly, pretty straight talking. He has made a very odd choice of PR, however. I hope she will be sidelined soon.

'He has made a very odd choice of PR, however. I hope she will be sidelined soon.'

Let me guess. Is she from Oxbridge?

Fillon is told what to say, just like all the rest of the political class. According to some reports, Gordon Brown even had to have his ties and suits picked for him in order to colour coordinate them, as well as obviously being told what to say when asked what his favourite band was - the "Arctic Monkeys" he said, but when asked what they had written and produced, I think he said the "IPCC Climate Change Report" or something like that. That is how clueless so many of these people are.

No wonder Trump beat them all. But he had the one thing none of them have - courage. Courage to defy the elite's political correctness and run rings around their media teams of spinners and liars, the shills who serve the elites.

I doubt Francois Fillon is going to stoop to pretending to pay attention to popular culture. He and his family are uber traditional French Catholic Western France types and that is a huge part of his package.

I haven't been following it, but from sheer knowledge of how the whizzkids work, I would guess that he will beat Juppe on Sunday. Do you think Fillon will win?

Fillon is much younger than Juppe, and the whizzkids will want to present a younger image to the people in order to fool them that this is a new, fresh start and that the elites have "heard" the people and "understand" what they feel about the "Paris elites " and all the rest of the spinners and whizzkids.

Providing the same voters turn out (not a given), Fillon will win hands down.

But Fillon isn't a fresh start so much as an experienced politician without skeletons.

'I doubt Francois Fillon is going to stoop to pretending to pay attention to popular culture.'

I agree, the clever ones have observed the dismal outcome that the Gordon Browns and Blairs had after listening to the advice of the teenage whizzkids who pull their strings, and have decided to adopt a Farage honest approach instead. Hillary had all the celebs on her side, Brexit had Sir Blob Gumdrop, Bozo and Eddie Blizzard, but the public are way past that stage of spin now.

'But Fillon isn't a fresh start so much as an experienced politician without skeletons.'

Absolutely, but he is the best hope that the French elites have got left. In England, our elites are on their last legs, they only have Blair left, warts and all. It's Humpty Dumpty and the great fall, no matter what the Channel 4 News teams say.

Do you think Fillon will beat Le Pen?

What sort of support does Le Pen have?

You just have to look at the state of our Labour Party to see how desperate our elites are. They couldn't beat a 100-1 outsider, Jeremy Corbyn, simply because he speaks the truth nearly all the time.

They all ganged up on Corbyn, the crew known as the 172. They called on support from the great and the bad - Tony Bliar, Boredom Clown, Kneel Pillock and many, many more shining examples of the metropolitan elite, and it all led to certain defeat.

They needed someone young, fresh and untainted to counter the old socialist seadog, Corbyn. They looked around and struggled to find anyone untainted, so they ended up putting random names in a hat and pulling out a prat, and the one that was chosen was someone called Owen Banter who smugly insulted his way to defeat and now the elites are well and truly beat.

I remember when Gordon Brown was doing a speech about WW2, with President Obama in attendance, he said "Obama Beach" instead of Omaha Beach.

To me that showed how little interest he had in the speech, but my goodness how they can fake passion and feeling .... you could be forgiven for thinking they actually care!

Brown esp. could recite the phone directory with the same persuasive emotion and volume of his speeches.

No one wants the job of Leader of the Labour Party. Everyone wants to just hang on to get their wages and the very cushy perks & expenses. Perhaps they started their political careers with an honest desire to effect improvement, but no one there of that ilk anymore.

'No one wants the job of Leader of the Labour Party.'

Maybe Blair wants it. The elite certainly don't want Corbyn and their news teams will probably spin for Blair like there is no tomorrow. But if he does stand, even with all the media backing him, even with the Guardian heaping praise upon him, Corbyn will still thrash him. The teenage whizzkids are tried their last trick, to their dismay the public ain't that thick.

I feel in safe hands with Trump because I think he's got his priorities right. Yes, he's said some outlandish things during his campaign, and he's been rude to Muslims. What he stands for seems to be ensuring national security, and he quite rightly sees ISIS as a big threat. He says U.S policy in Syria is 'madness' and he's right about that. He doesn't want wars, unlike Clinton who seemed to have supported many wars, and he's quite happy to get on the phone to Putin to figure things out - to stop the madness. If he can do that and has the courage of his convictions - he's the man for the job.

As DT says, We cant beat ISIS? Really, really?

fourmummy: "We've got as far as - multiculturalism can't ever work because there's no way to prioritise one set of values over another" : But how far do you take that argument? The UK, for example, is not a homogenous culture. Even a single county or city is not a homogenous culture populated by people all sharing the same values, and that's not even a new phenomenom. I accept that globalism has had serious drawbacks, but I don't think it is something which can be undone.
I think that the idea of tiny little groups of people who all agree with each other closing themselves off from the world sounds horribly regressive and really boring.

Southallgirl: "the taking away & execution of a mother of 6 who showed compassion to a British wounded soldier, but esp. the Hyde Park killing of men and horses. That was beyond the pale. Anyone who destroys non-humans in a major disagreement between humans has committed a sin."
I'm really sorry if I've misunderstood you, but are you saying that the killing of the horses is your red line, more so than the killing of your innocent people? - Don't mean to derail, but that just surprised me a bit.

Southall "I remember when Gordon Brown was doing a speech about WW2........"
How do you feel about British MEPs who spend remembrance Sunday prancing around a billionaires golden lift without even a poppy on their jacket?

Informal: I think I will start making a small donation to a liberal newspaper or charity every time Claig includes "elite" Establishment" whizzkid" "Oxbridge" etc in her posts.

Always happy to do my bit for charity

As long as it is not one of the elite's charidees with the pay for play, of course.

Squishy - No poppies in NYC, and no one thought to bring one for Farage presumably.

Clinton foundation?

Squishy I am very sensitive to the totally defenceless such as very young children, very old people and animals. We humans are always going to have disagreements that take us to war - or at least to battles with firearms, lethal fights over neighbourhood territory and feuds that continue for generations, but I do believe that if we overstep the above troika then it is a sin.

The homo sapien will always have something to fight about, but other lifeforms should not be brought into our conflicts.

I do understand, how you feel, Southall. It was probably a bit of a derailment anyway -I am not going to pick your values apart or anything.

I do think that the sensitivity to the defenceless you describe is a very honorable human trait, that I suspect everyone on here shares. I think that is why some of us get so upset at the defence of Assad and Putin on here following news reports of hospital bombings (it can't be all propoganda and spin). I do know that Syria is very complicated, and that there is no simple answer on how to best protect civilians, so I can follow both the interventionist/non-interventionist arguments but it is still hard to read humanitarian concerns being dismissed on here.

In particular when the blame is laid on those not bombing civilian and aid run hospitals.

And those who are bombing are considered reasonable and the people the US should get along with.