Trump (Part 2)

[claig]

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

Oh claig, has no one learnt anything from your almost prophetic posts this last year? Undermining, ridiculing, insulting all becomes pointless when events then show you to be correct. But hey ho.

Be careful with full fact Informal, theres agenda and bias behind the whole thing. How does full fact compare with Oxford ......

www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/

'Also I bet you he doesn't really like Putin. Probably thinks he's a mug, falling for his shtick same as everyone else ;)'

That shows how little you uderstand about politics.

I commend you for your knowledge of Russian diminutives ;) But Alyosha can also be used for women too.

Free speech:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/russian-journalist-vladmir-putin-critic-alexander-schetinin-found-dead-on-birthday-kiev-ukraine-a7214286.html

I read last week that medical treatment here for EU people amounts to £585 million, but we get back only £58 million from the EU.

See: fullfact.org/europe/eu-immigration-and-pressure-nhs/

The UK paid £674 million to other countries, while receiving just £49 million in return.

There are several arrangements under which care in the EEA is charged to the country whose citizen is treated abroad in this way. The most notable are the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC), which covers health care for short term visitors, and the S1 document which covers the health care costs of expatriate pensioners.

The size of the difference between the amount the UK pays out and the amount it receives is partly because foreign citizens in Britain run up less than half as many costs which might be covered under these schemes as British citizens abroad. However, government studies suggest that the NHS is also simply failing to charge when it is supposed to—recouping only a fraction of what should be around £340m from other countries.

This means the UK effectively gets a poor deal from these schemes. But the discrepancy is not closely linked to the fact of EU membership. It is largely down to the NHS failing to recoup costs as other EU countries do. Government papers suggest that this is because NHS trusts find it easier not to record that they are owed money from abroad, thereby getting full payment from the standard system without the extra admin involved in tracking foreign visitors.

'I should have remembered better than to get sidetracked!'

You accused me of being a paid Russian troll. Why don't you tell us what you did in Donbass? Who you worked for? Then maybe we could understand what it is about Ukraine that gets under your collar and why the fact that I don't give a stuff what Putin does in Donbass bothers you so much or why Farage doesn't give a stuff about it either bothers you?

What is your link with Ukraine since you accuse me of being a Putin troll?

Chris1234567890 I would trust Full Fact a hell of a lot more than the tinfoil hat conspiracy theory nutters being presented on this thread as credible sources.

Again - doesn't agree with your agenda, does it?

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Migrants in work are NOT net contributors if you factor in tax credits, pension credits, housing benefit, discounted CTax, child benefit and usage of GP, hospital investigations, maternity. Unless you are talking of those with well-paid desk jobs."

Yes they are.

Fundamentally, Trump believes whatever the last person told him + whatever will work out best for him as an individual.

So if Putin makes it worth his while, he will support Putin.

But there are people out there with bigger chequebooks and inducements.

So Trump probably thinks of Putin as a useful tool (used his intelligence services to hack the democrats, wikileaks etc.) but what is Putin's further usefulness?

I'm more worried about his very thin skin and his access to nuclear weapons.

Re me in the Donbass, the real story is very very very boring, seriously you can probably work out exactly what I was doing if you read all my MN posts. Don't get too excited. Don't suppose you'll tell us your day job and why you spend all day on Pro-Russian foreign policy aims MN comments?

InformalRoman - Thank you. Your link confirms what I said in my post about EU & NHS.

He also seems to see Putin as a role model.

More free speech:

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/25/how-russia-independent-media-was-dismantled-piece-by-piece

I don't want to say outright as despite its mundanity it's very identifying.

Kaija - the good thing about Trump is that vs. Le Pen & Putin he has no idea what he's doing. He's in the game for personal enrichment rather than imperial USA (whereas Putin wants money + слава России)

And more free speech here:

uk.businessinsider.com/list-of-people-putin-is-suspected-of-assassinating-2016-3

Alyosha, why is that a good thing?

Alyosha, you are clueless about Trump.

'Re me in the Donbass, the real story is very very very boring, seriously you can probably work out exactly what I was doing if you read all my MN posts. '

Why don't you tell us? Is it top secret or something?

'Don't suppose you'll tell us your day job and why you spend all day on Pro-Russian foreign policy aims MN comments?'

I am self-employed, I run my own business. I have never been to the Ukraine or Russia. I can't speak a word of either of them. I guess you can, having worked there and all.

'why you spend all day on Pro-Russian foreign policy aims '

I spend all day on Trump and before that Farage. That is not pro Russian foreign policy aims. Why does the fact that i don't care what Putin does in Donbass bother you so much? What is it about you and Ukraine? What work did you do there?

I commend you for your knowledge of Russian diminutives ;) But Alyosha can also be used for women too

Not it cannot, not for women. It's a dimunitive of Alexei, male gender, but not of Alexandra.

Informal....

EU migrants living in UK 2016 - 3.5million
of those working - 2.2 million
not working - 1.3 million

Uk citizens living across the EU - 1.2 million

According to your link fullfact...
The UK paid £674 millionn_ to other countries, while receiving just £49 million in return.

Do the maths.

www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/

"I don't want to say outright as despite its mundanity it's very identifying."

So it is that mundane that we would all know, is it?

'I commend you for your knowledge of Russian diminutives ;) But Alyosha can also be used for women too

Not it cannot, not for women. It's a dimunitive of Alexei, male gender, but not of Alexandra.'

Thanks, Southallgirl. I knew it wasn't English, but I never knew what this Alyosha was.

Informal....

EU migrants living in UK 2016 - 3.5million
of those working - 2.2 million
not working - 1.3 million

Uk citizens living across the EU - 1.2 million

According to your link fullfact...
The UK paid £674 million to other countries, while receiving just £49 million in return.

Do the maths.

Apols...the link messed the post up.

Well I think Alyosha is a lovely name for a girl or a boy. But I'm very confused as to the relevance here.

claig it's very bad form on any thread to force someone to identify personal details about themselves.

This thread is getting bizarre - do posters have to bare their credentials and ethnicity before they post? Not good and not the way you, claig, should want the thread to be going.

Kaija No they are not net contributors, but of course that does not chime with your Regressive Leftie notions. What they pay in tax & NI does not even touch what they receive from the state as mentioned previously. And of course they have no previous history of paying into the coffers.

It's less common for women, but still used: ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/алеша (for example)

It's not top secret, but there were very few foreigners in the Donbass at that time, so if I said exactly what I was doing you would be able to find out my non MN identity v. quickly.