Trump (Part 2)

[claig]

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

It's looking very bleak in Italy.

Italy’s Minister Of Interior: Surrender Your Homes To Migrants Or Face Jail. Jail for those who oppose migrants

www.infowars.com/italys-minister-of-interior-surrender-your-homes-to-migrants-or-face-jail/

kaija, I see what you mean. If you go via my link, its a paywall.

Google 'wsj trump lifts global growth' or something close, and via google its an open article.

Southall, the telegraph have called an almost certain Italian eu exit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/11/27/italy-needs-reform-euro-exit-inevitable/?WT.mcid=tmgliveapppiosshareAm8JNGcQH1LF

I think claig was right on her assesment, yes or no next weekend, both results will lead to the same conclusion. Its appears grim there as it stands.

Southallgirl. Infowars? Really?

Southall, I would argue that the website you linked to is markedly less reliable and far more biased than the msm you love to slate. That article is entirely based on mysterious "sources in the interior ministry" so is not necessarily accurate. Even if the sources are correct, the headline is misleading because it is hotels and second homes which are being requisitioned - they are not chucking Italian families out on the streets: "to be affected, second homes would have to be vacant"

If the information in this article turns out to be misleading, what do you think the consequences should be for those journalists? I assume that you do not include them in your description of "sloppy", "overpaid" or "smug" journalists?

What do you think of the comments beneath the article by the way?

I'd like to unpack my "Infowars, really?" comment into squishy's rather more detailed and eloquent response.

Canada Celebrates Hijab-Wearing News Anchor While Christian Crosses Are Banned

Former CNN host: "Any guesses which channel told me it was "inappropriate" for me to wear my cross on air?"

"Former CNN host Lara Baldesarra responded to the news that Canada was celebrating its first hijab-wearing Muslim news anchor by asserting that she was warned against wearing a Christian cross while on air."

It seems to me that diversity is celebrated only if it's that of Islam. Poor show, time this double-standard was stopped. It's rampant in GB too.

www.infowars.com/canada-celebrates-hijab-wearing-news-anchor-while-christian-crosses-are-banned/

In fact I'd go further and say that sites like that are not only wilfully misleading and biased, but that if you spend too long absorbing that content you can become "inculcated with hate". Brainwashed. And as we've discussed Southall, it's very difficult to recognise those prejudices within ourselves, let alone challenge them.

I recommend Jon Ronson's "the Elephant in the Room" for an insight into Alex Jones and Infowars.

It is not "news" by any meaningful definition.

Kaja and Squishy - You are both being sniffy about Infowars, in the same way that the journalists and talking heads on TV were about Trump. Infowars has been far more accurate than MSM.

I've been saying for years to friends that there may come a time when people's extra rooms will be requisitioned here in GB. If we continue on the same path I can see that local councils will intervene, softly at first - it will probably be the withdrawal of sole occupancy 25% discount from CTax if a householder won't take in an immigrant. Then it will be 25% added to CTax as a persuasion, and if still you're not up for it, householder will be penalised with doubling of CTax.

It's on the books if we don't curtail the population explosion that comes thru immigration and he large numbers of children that immigrant families favour but cannot support.

"householder will be penalised with doubling of CTax." We have that here in my borough council already. Empty properties are now charged double the CT band rate.

What has Infowars been accurate about? The story where they suggested that Hillary was an "actual demon" as sources confirmed she smells of sulphur perhaps?

Your smart-arse answers have absolutely no effect on population size. Even my own GP told me last Thursday that the cause of the rationing of health services is all to do with the number of people entering this country without reduction. And he's from Pakistan. So, please ladies, show some acknowledgement of our country's problems.

I'm an ex-practice manager myself in the private sector, and now I work for a large NHS Trust in central London. I see the increased numbers attending OP clinics with interpreters. The latter is a huge drain on finances.

Your ideology prevents you from putting your finger on a problem and naming it. This country will hv to ration more severely because less and less is going into the NI coffers.

I thought this was a thread about Trump (and apparently Clinton and Farage) rather than an anti-immigration thread.

If you work in the NHS you will know how utterly reliant it is on EU doctors, nurses and other staff.

I'd go further and say that sites like that are not only wilfully misleading and biased

Really, in what way misleading?

If you work in the NHS you will know how utterly reliant it is on EU doctors, nurses and other staff

What's your point?

My point is that the ills of the NHS are not the fault of migration. Underfunding is the issue. And God help us if a significant number of overseas NHS workers decide to up sticks and leave.

"Underfunding is the issue."

You mean underfunding the migration driven population increase and increased demand on services?

Dear lordy.

and yes badkitten, as hard as we try to point out why brexit, why Trump succeeded, the trolling that is adamant to make this a racist and white supremacist issue just keeps pulling it back down there. Have a word with your buddies will you.

Migrants are net contributors, and the NHS can claim back money for treating EU patients from their country of origin. And the proportion of doctors from overseas is greater than the proportion of migrants in the general population. So no.

It's been a while since I popped up. Kaija, you know you've got under Claig's skin when she starts frothing about you being sockpuppet, or darkly muses on your background, or intimates that she knows "who you are".

I think it's a compliment!

But on claig, I like you think she is most likely working to further the foreign policy aims of a certain country. Or maybe she's a true believer.

She certainly follows the playbook, which is less to promote the greatness of Putin and his flabby abs, but more to sow disinformation, to put everything in doubt, to sully everything.

I am getting married next year but I am less worried about Trump's Putin-mania (he'll only keep it up if he gets something out of it - i.e. money) than his thin skin and hot temper. What happens if China insults him or North Korea dares him to test their Nuclear resolve? All out Nuclear war. That's what I'm worried about.

Kaija - Do you understand basic arithmetic - because after all that is said and done, this is what the problem is about. The other issue is probably not organising longterm old age care.

If one dept - let's say Respiratory - sees c. 20,000 patients a year, but the next year the increase in adult users of that particular service is not 1k or 2k but 9k that has to be shored up with ££ from central govt - which it is. But few of the 9k (which are mostly but not entirely arrivals from overseas) are actually in work, so the tax-NI coffers have not improved from the last tax year, and instead continue to be depleted.

There's nothing mystical about the main problem facing our health services.

Just for the record I've never actually accused Claig of working for anyone, U.K. or overseas, only remarked on his pro-Putin stance. But this now seems pretty standard for a lot of Brexiteers.

If you run a household and budgetfor 4 mouths but then 2 more mouths arrive to stay with you for several months, dont you think your expenditure would increase?

'She certainly follows the playbook, which is less to promote the greatness of Putin and his flabby abs, but more to sow disinformation, to put everything in doubt, to sully everything. '

Yes, you would think that because you are a Blairite who wants to stop free speech and thought that differs from your New Labour perspective. I support Farage precisely to end your type of bullying political correctness, and just like Farage and Trump, I am not anti Putin, as even your mentor Blair isn't, with Mandelson advising Putin, but I don't like Blair and Mandelson and New Labour. I like Farage and Trump, who Blair and Mandelson probably don't like at all, and yet Mandelson advises Putin.

"SEBASTIAN SHAKESPEARE: Now Labour grandee Lord Mandelson helps pariah Putin polish his image"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3127350/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-former-Labour-spin-doctor-Lord-Mandelson-helps-pariah-Putin-polish-image.html