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[claig]

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

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"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

To watch Andrew Marr or not?

four I am not paying for my lot to learn to drive because I am convinced self-driving electric cars and public transport will be the norm within the next 10 years. Already in the City plans for some in the US and Far East. I think the compulsion will need to be directed at consumers to the largest extent.

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' clean living and alternative forms of energy remain enormously important'

Trump is all for that - clean water, clean air, even wind power etc, but alongside clean coal and other forms of energy.

He doesn't believe the elite's carbon stuff, and is likely to give much more promotion to scientists like Jeremy Corbyn's brother, Dr Piers Corbyn, who will be able to explain to the BBC why they are wrong, and Trump will likely change the whole direction.

The one direction, "la pensee unique", political correctness of thought will no longer be able to bully Dr Piers Corbyn etc and the truth will come out.

I've heard Piers Corbyn on a few radio shows, I think he's very good and very interesting on weather cycles and the like

The world has seen in Wikileaks how corrupt the system is, how in bed the media, the banks and the political class all are, how they think the people are deplorable and how rigged the polls and everything is.

But the people don't know the half of it. They believe the stories about catastrophic climate change etc. But Trump doesn't because he has top advisers who have told him what really goes on.

He said

"Hillary Clinton is a vessel for the corrupt global establishment that is raiding our country"

Trump is coming after them, he will expose all their lies, and they know it.

Shiningexample, I agree, Dr Piers Corbyn is brilliant, and it was great to see him back his brother Jeremy throughout all his tough leadership elections and to get so much pleasure from his brother's victory.

Piers Corbyn is one of the "little people", one of us, just like his brother, Jeremy, too.

Piers Corbyn is an independent thinker. We need people like that to ensure freedom, tell the truth and to fight against "la pensee unique" that aims to fool us all.

" I look forward to majority-electric cars!"

My guess would be you've never owned a Prius then.

A lot of the renewables have been pushed too far and too fast by massive subsidies. If anything these have been an inhibitor on technology as, frankly, the efficiency of the product itself hasn't mattered that much.

With some massive investment in infrastructure they could be truly vital however I'd prefer it if that infrastructure was funded rather than the money going into subsidies.

Jeremy Corbyn is on the Andrew Marr show. He will say the usual stuff about Trump - bigotry etc, but it will still be worth watching.

Absolutely Spin

I too am very fed up and disillusioned at deep rooted corruption, political spin, dishonest politicians etc etc but I still fail to see how anybody can think that Trump and his hangers-on not corrupt, not self-serving, not power hungry, not looking out for No1?

'I still fail to see how anybody can think that Trump and his hangers-on not corrupt, not self-serving, not power hungry, not looking out for No1?'

It doesn't matter, the people didn't care, because Trump is going to smash the current corrupt elite who have enforced political correctness, who have lied and who as he says "are very, very stupid people"

The people will never have a saint as a leader, all we can hope for is a leader who is on our side, "the little people", as opposed to the bankers, billionaires and warmongers.

It doesn't matter, the people didn't care, because Trump is going to smash the current corrupt elite who have enforced political correctness, who have lied and who as he says "are very, very stupid people"

Yes, claig, I get that.
"The people didn't care" is just whey I find some of the people's decisions rather frightening.
I don't think that people are stupid, but I do think that they hear what they want to hear, believe what they want or desperately need to believe, and in their need to stick up two fingers to the establishment forget that there are consequences to how they cast their vote.
Anger, disillusionment and what smacks to me like toddler-like need for instant gratification do not make for good decision making IMO.

The people may well end up with a horrible wake up call.

If Trump does go ahead and starts investing hugely in to US infrastructure (at least building stuff is something he knows something about) it will create jobs (and of course bridges and roads ), but I am unsure how he thinks he can finance that without leaving a huge financial mess for whoever has take over the baton from him.

If the Democrats had listened to the people they would not have allowed HC to hijack the nomination process and they could have had Bernie or others.

Good interview with JC - almost no Remoaning and sticking to his objective criticism of specific Trump statements rather than wholesale character assassination. Very positive that he is looking to build coalitions on the Left across Europe to negotiate Brexit. Not so keen on his throw away comment about keeping ECJ jurisdiction but he only said it once and I assume it is a sop to the PLP which he knows will never happen.

'"The people didn't care" is just whey I find some of the people's decisions rather frightening.'

But you have to ask "why was it that the people didn't care?"

The elites are race-baiters, dividers and they use divide and rule against the people whom they think are "deplorables". The protestors, only young people, are not all genuine, some are being paid by the billionaire elites in an attempt to stop Trump.

Trump understands the game, when he gets into power he will come after the "corrupt global establishment that is raiding our country" so fast that their heads will spin. He is going to clean the entire corrupt system up, expose the great and the good who pretend they are politically correct and that they care while they rig the system, encourage riots and intimidate the people with "political correctness" and use divide and rule and try to set white people against minorities by saying that people voted for Trump due to a "whitelash" (as our Oxbridge Guardian types say) which leads to white Trump supporters being dragged out of their cars and beaten up by groups who shout "you voted for Trump".

Trump knows the game, the crooks have met their match and they are going down and some of them will be "locked up".

'but I am unsure how he thinks he can finance that without leaving a huge financial mess for whoever has take over the baton from him.'

Because America has top, top people, the best business people in the world. Trump said we are run by "very, very stupid people" (which anyone who is half awake already knows), but he says they aren't that stupid, they get backhanders and the puppet politicians are "looked after" by the corporate lobbyists and foreign billionaire donors who use "pay to play" donations to charidees to rob the American people.

Now Trump is in charge, the top US business people, "not the stupid people", not the crooks who fill their pockets in their charidees and Floundations, will be in charge to make business boom for the profit of themselves and the American people.

Now there will be a businessman in charge, not the "corrupt political hacks", the political class, the SPADs who have never worked a day in their lives and who have made hundreds of millions of dollars just be being a politician, accepting donations to charidees and making speeches to bankers.

As Trump said to the Trump fans

"who do you want to negotiate for you, Trump or those clowns?"

There was only one answer and the clowns ain't laughing it up no more.

Spin - looked at a Prius many years ago but backed out at the last minute, possibly for the reasons you mention. What is striking this election cycle has been how many Greens supported Trump. The only two vocally supportive of Trump kids at my son's school have Green parents (obviously, I'm not basing my comments on just these two]).

'I assume it is a sop to the PLP which he knows will never happen.'

Yes, politics is "the art of the deal" and Corbyn has to play all sides to keep people happy. It was a good interview, but unfortunately Corbyn can never win because he hasn't got that final bit of courage to tell the truth, he is politically correct.

The reason that the entire revolution against the crooks, the elites, is coming from the right is because Trump is not politically correct and therefore is not afraid to tell the truth and the people want the truth.

Trump is not politically correct and therefore is not afraid to tell the truth and the people want the truth
When you first spoke positively about Trump Claig, I just couldn't buy it, I still have reservations but things have shifted in my mind.
I do feel that you are painting him as the Messiah, that's got to be over egging things surely!
If you are right, well its going to be such an interesting show to watch isn't it😁

Shiningexample, you are right that Trump is not the Messiah, but he is the best hope the ordinary people have got. He will give us freedom, sovereignty, free speech, an end to thought crimes and "political correctness" if we disagree with the insanity of a corrupt political class, and jobs will return as he scraps the free trade deals that offshore all our jobs and indsustries.

We live on earth and on earth everyone's feet are "made of clay", there is no Heavenly Messiah down here in the corrupt mire. To take on the corrupt crooks and billionaire cheats who think the people are "deplorable" and who can only use divide and rule race-baiting and political correctness to control the billions of decent people, "the little people" on the planet, it is going to take one tough son of a gun, one hard-nosed billionaire who knows all the tricks the other billionaires use, and who is not scared of any of them.

2016 has seen that billionaire come - Donald J Trump - 45th President of the United States of America, and amazingly enough, in his shadow, is the ever present sidekick, the chuckling Muttley, from the County of Kent in Dear Old Blighty, one grinning, gurning, beer guzzling, Nigel Farage.

'its going to be such an interesting show to watch isn't it'

It will be teh best show on earth and Trump TV will be showing it. There has never been so much panic among the elites and never so much laughter among the people and we owe it to Donald J Trump.

As Rod Liddle said

"The deplorables are rather wonderful people, aren’t they? Both here and in the United States. The people’s revolution continues apace, defying the odds each time, defying the pollsters, defying the elite. I cannot tell you how pleasurable it was to scamper downstairs on Wednesday morning to check out the reaction on the Guardian’s website. It kept me cackling for hours."

The show ain't over yet, it's only just begun, grab the popcorn, sit back and watch the elites run.

He's not the Messiah but these could be epoch-smashing times. DH and I have just been telling the kids how it felt very much like this in '97. What we didn't realise, of course, was that although we thought that we were voting for change, they were all cut from the same cloth (apart from Maggie). This isn't 'more of the same, just different party'. This very much feels like crooked elite vs decent elite and not crooked elite vs crooked elite, which is what the intervening years after '97 turned out to be.

Ultimately, it is all about freedom and free speech, even if Germaine Greer offends some people or Julie Bindel offends some people or Milo offends some people or Rodd Liddle offends some people.

Are we free or will Big Brother beat us?

"Rod Liddle: Labour’s putting me on trial for thought crime

Now I have a chance to apologise for daring to suggest that any Muslim, anywhere, could ever be accused of anti-Semitism"

www.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/rod-liddle-labours-putting-me-on-trial-for-thought-crime/

Trump will save us all from these corrupt commissars

I gotta say that photo of Trump and our Nige with the gold background puts me in mind of religious iconography, you know those paintings with the gold halo behind the figure

'the gold halo behind the figure'

It is the Russians again. Russian Orthodox iconography. It's bloody Putin, he's involved in absolutely everything.

The gold background also has a modern Russian theme to it in my view

...I mean it looks like a Russian oligarch's bathroom wall