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[claig]

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

I agree, Chris, Theresa May is good. I think she will do the right thing, which is why I won't be voting for the UKIP shower any more and am switching back to a people's conservative, Theresa May.

This is what we should be watching this week......

www.rt.com/news/366828-assange-interrogation-embassy-case/

The power of the President Elect? Lets hope so.

In the UK, we were repeatedly warned, including by Farage, that things will be tough economically and yet people still went ahead. Many, many people have commented on the fact that they were prepared to lose something financially in the way that they voted - and they still went ahead. This speaks volumes and yet this message just doesn't seem to be getting through.

'many people have commented on the fact that they were prepared to lose something financially in the way that they voted - and they still went ahead'

Absolutely. Some things are more precious than money - democracy, the right to make our own laws, sovereignty, freedom and free speech.

It took us centuries to win them, we are not going to throw them away for all the money in the world.

He had to go to the UN to clear his name, not sure which charge remains though the two women involved I thought dropped their complaints with one of them saying she was pressured by the police in the first place.

Still the formality of having an investigation open has been their fig leaf of respectability for what to most observers seems to be nothing more than persecution on political grounds.

Sometimes we have to be bad citizens in order to be good human beings though in the case of national security there is no public interest defence.

Rather amusingly this appears to have been prompted by Assange's lawyers writing to the DOJ insisting that he be given the same legal test as that given to Hillary Clinton. :D

I wouldn't like to be her dog when that one hit the doormat given the damage wikileaks did to her presidential chances.

Hopefully this is your last chance to get a Free Assange T-shirt from the wikileaks shop.

"Rather amusingly this appears to have been prompted by Assange's lawyers writing to the DOJ insisting that he be given the same legal test as that given to Hillary Clinton. :D"

I have to admit that of all the things which have amused me over the last week or so the thought of Hillary's face when her lawyers told her that he had a valid point... It just cracks me up!

A few days after losing the presidency too.

Well if you can't take pleasure in someone else's pain then you're losing out on a lot!

Oh it gets better though....

At some point, and if I was him I'd wait a couple of days at least, Obama is going to consider whether he wants to go down in history as the man who waged a war on whistleblowers. He's not daft, and doesn't want to be remembered as authoritarian and see see that the tide is against him.

Course, as Secretary of State he's going to have to run pardoning Assange past.... Hillary Clinton!

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Roussette, I am sorry to see you go. I hope you come back when things have calmed down because you have made good points

Thanks claig. All the best to you.

And to you too

See you soon, I hope

Roussette - ditto. We need multiple perspectives here to put the world to rights

Global perspective

carnegieendowment.org/2016/11/11/u.s.-allies-and-rivals-digest-trump-s-victory-pub-65117#europe

I can see why Rousette has left this thread. There has been some vile rhetoric used in posts recently.
Since when was the word r*rd ever acceptable?

Thanks for the interesting link, BoredofBrexit.

For Farage fans, here is the inside story of how Farage went and done it again, he popped up where no potentate was permitted to go, he stuck his nose in where the great and the good were not allowed, he crowed from the heights of New York City, ahead of all the political crowd.

Farage, champion of "the little people", "the decent people", trumped the whole lot again. Despised by the British Establishment, adored by the People's Army.

There are pictires of Farage and his crew, the renegades, taking selfies in New York City, thumbs-ups and laughter all around.

How did Farage do it? How did he beat Presidents, bigwigs, ambassadors and all the world bleeders? The Peopls' Army are in awe, how on earth did Farage get his foot through the door?

"After the Brexit result, this was the coup of Farage’s life. So how did the 52-year-old, who has failed seven times to be elected to the Commons, manage it? He beat not only prime ministers and presidents but also many senior Republicans in the race to break bread with the man who, in two months’ time, will be the most powerful on the planet.

The key lies not just with larger-than-life Farage, whose friendship with Trump was formed in the heat of battle on the campaign trail in Mississippi."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3932908/Your-gold-diamond-door-s-worth-house-riotous-inside-story-Farage-s-astonishing-coup-foreign-politician-meet-President-elect-Trump.html

While the Establishment were busy calling Trump names, Farage stood by Trump, and by all accounts, Trump appreciates that sort of behaviour, it is said he has no time for Establishment chumps.

"It was as he was drinking coffee with Bannon that Trump’s campaign manager Kellyanne Conway walked past. She stopped in her tracks when she saw Farage, whose performances in Mississippi and on TV had gained him notoriety among the Trump team.

Conway – tipped to be White House Press secretary – embraced Farage and said simply: ‘Let’s go and see the president. He wants to see you.’

"Four weeks later Farage, Banks, and Wigmore met at Heathrow to fly to the US. They downed three ‘cappuccino martinis’, one of Farage’s favourite drinks.

On the plane they got through four bottles of red wine.""

I think that must be a misprint, I think it is supposed to say "four bottles of red wine each" or else Farage is slowing down.

"Back in Britain, Farage was publicly criticised by senior Ukip figures for embracing Trump. They feared that it would damage the Ukip brand and they criticised him for becoming involved in an overseas election."

What an absolute shower they are! Waste of time! Establishment!

www.facebook.com/manstuff/videos/1346689075365535/

Copied this from another thread, thought you'd like it Claig!

Great stuff, Boredofbrexit

Trump beat them to it. He trumped them.

Chinese newspere now saying Trump is a "fool" if he thinks he can disrupt trade etc. Are they crazy? Haven't they heard that Trump never backs down, he only ever "doubles down"?

way to go our Nige!

Wish they'd included Nige in that spoof - maybe the hedgehog.

If those rioting in the street cannot accept the result, then perhaps it's how voting is done. America may need to overhaul its electoral college system, but that has been in place for a very long time. You might as well say that the last 12 elections did not reflect the people’s real choice because of it, but you cannot pick & choose which elections are legitimate and which are not.

Extract from Wiki:

"The United States Electoral College is the body that elects the president and vice president of the United States every four years. Citizens of the United States do not directly elect the president or the vice president; instead they choose "electors", who pledge beforehand to vote for the candidate who wins in their party. Each state gets to choose as many electors as the combined total of the number of U.S. senators and representatives to which the state is entitled.

"The candidate who receives an absolute majority of electoral votes (currently 270) for the office of president or of vice president is elected to that office."

Depressed at how many posts over the past couple of pages that use the term "r*rds".

Hope MNHQ are watching...what with their "Every Child Matters campaign and all

A shame as some points are quite good.

And Nigel Farage is an utter cockwomble. Offering to the "special envoy to the EU."

He is hateful and I don't get Claig's utter admiration for him. The man who stood in front of the Nazi style poster about people fleeing from war to stir up hatred. Nope...he is nothing to admire.

The people will never have a saint as a leader

I agree, Claig. A leader should be hard-nosed and plain-speaking. That's what I liked about DT and what some Americans did too.

Farage was almost certainly out of his depth and in way above his head, but we owe him a debt of grattude for flying the UK flag right up there at the top and sticking two fingers up to the crooked elites who tried to take our freedoms from us, our sovereignty from us and our free speech from us.

I've always liked Farage, Claig, and wouldnt mind buying him a pie and a pint. I think he would be wonderful company. But just think of the stamina involved in the last 20+ yrs to take Ukip from nothing to a referendum. He said he does regret leaving the City just a bit early, before he made his million, but felt he had to.

Alfieisnoisy, I like Farage because he is anti-establishment, without him we would never have had Brexit and our Establishment would have handed over even more of our sovereignty to an unelected group in Brussels.

Absolutely, Southallgirl. A tough leader is needed to sort all the crooks and the corruption out.