Trump vs Clinton - the final 3 days

[claig]

Into the final lap now after over 1 year of entertainment, education and excitement. Donald J Trump is nearly there against all expectations.

DT has just arrived to vote for himself. not a good reception at the polling station, lots of booing and jeering. He doesn't like it and he didn't hang around.

Doubling down on the whole Hitler thing huh? Let us know how it works out for you.

Stating that Trump is one of the elite, just another GOP party mouthpiece born into privilege doesn't really paint the true picture.

Simple fact is that Trump has always been an outcast and has happy to have been so. The elites themselves just regard him as white trailer trash who happens to have money and it's an image he courts. It's also very true!

The WASP line of understated Republicans with leather bound books on the shelf is just as horrified as the democrats. You'd never find a Bush bragging about his seatbelt buckles being made or pure gold, or going to one of his brash and in your face hotels or casinos.

And Trump's been open about it, long before running for president he'd happily talk to journalists about how he didn't like rich people. He preferred the cabbies and construction site workers.

What does mark Trump out from the pack, and the reason he won the nomination, is that he isn't controlled by special interests and therefore talks mainly about immigration. In recent years the GOP candidates have talked tough to get past the Tea Party veto and then softened their line only to be constantly reminded of it by the Democrats. Trump took his line straight from Ann Coulter and has not just stood by it but doubled down on it. He's also an undeniably brilliant self publicist and had name recognition well before entering politics.

In fact I very much doubt anyone has changed their perception of him due to the race, if you'd asked a US citizen or someone from abroad what they thought of Trump years ago they'd say the same things as they do now. The sneering condescension would be the same

Spot on, Spinflight. Very good post.

Well.... he is rich and he is the least charitable billionaire in the world. Not sure what that makes him... it seems he likes the trappings of wealth but then you say he doesn't like rich people, hmmm

And don't his tax plans favour the ultra rich of which he is one?

He is rich, he likes celebs and boxing and wrestling and TV and that stuff which is why he goes on the Howard Stern show and says lewd stuff, because he is like a rich entertainer business figure, but the old money rich elites look down on him, they think they are better than him and they use him for donations etc, but as soon as he decided to stand, they turned against him because he is not in what Corbyn would call their "magic circle", he is not part of the elite club as you can see by all the positions he takes - on immigration, trade and war with Russia - which are the direct opposite of the billionaire globalist Wall Street policies that Hillary Clinton and the Bushes have to follow.

Trump says he is for

"Americanism not globalism"

and that is why the real power, the real elites, the real globalists fear him, because they are for "globalism not Americanism"

and Farage was for UK sovereignty which is why the real power feared him

Farage is nowhere near in the same league as Trump, and Farage does not have the courage that Trump has, although Farage had a lot, and Trump is battling in America, the most important and powerful country on earth. If Trump beats them in America, they are beaten everywhere because everything starts and ends with America.

Lay off the gin, claig, you're going on tangents again.

Tangents give the whole picture of what this is about.

The elites put Lady GaGa in a Nazi style uniform on stage with Hillary last night. They are signalling and mocking the public.

I saw Lady Gaga on stage and she really had nothing resembling a nazi uniform on

the old money rich elites look down on him

And when people sneer and condescend, isnt it interesting how the target ramps up the 'reasons' for the condescension. if you think I'm artless, then I'll really show you what artless is.

It's a psychological quirk that some of us have. The great & the good have their confirmation, and the target gets a bit of pleasure in the wind-up.

Social media thought so, but they are saying that she was wearing Michael Jackson attire

Southallgirl, you are right that Trump "doubles down"

His opponents underestimated him, they thought he was a clown that they would beat easily as they had tapes and stuff on him, but he doubled down

And most of all they underestimated the people, they thought their media would be able to turn people off him, but they were surprised how many people liked him and that the race is within the margin of error

Some of Cameron's advisers and spinners apparently told him on Brexit eve as he retired with a hot cocoa, not to worry, everything would be alright on the night. But the Establishment was defeated by the people and there were tears in Number Ten

This election has every one of the elites and all their puppets staying up all night to make sure it is alright on the night for them.

The odds are stacked against Trump. But it is within the margin of error and no elite can sleep sweet tonight.

As an aside, while Cameron was retiring with a hot cocoa and a nightcap perched on his head on Brexit Eve (or Indpendence Day Eve as it is also sometimes called), the BBC showed footage of Farage, up all night, drinking allcomers under the table at the Dog and Duck. The public was impressed by his "stamina" and he emerged in a drunken stupor, having laid every other hardened drinker under the table, behind a thick cloud of cigar smoke sometime around 4 am or 5 am and declared that we the people had beat them all to wild applause in the heart of London Town.

But all of those great memories will be as nothing compared to Trump winning tonight, if he makes it.

Claig It's a well-known tactic to play up to your opponents low expectations of you. A friend of mine, David, looked like a rough biker but was actually a professional, loved to take the piss out of people who he could see had made an instant judgement about him and had written him off, even though they did not know him.

He ramped it up and spoke and acted even rougher, just to alarm the idiots.

.... and then when they discovered his status and title, he enjoyed watching the earth open up and swallow the eejits.

'He ramped it up and spoke and acted even rougher, just to alarm the idiots.'

Were they from Oxbridge?

You are right, Trump has essentially called their bluff and said "so what?" to them. He hasn't caved in like a member of the political class would, he has said "so what?"

'.... and then when they discovered his status and title, he enjoyed watching the earth open up and swallow the eejits.'

Was his name Donald J Trump?

Interesting to speculate on what happens after the election to the respective parties..

Would Trump walk away if he lost? Possibly but bear in mind he doesn't hold a political position and has never, to the best of my knowledge, run for one before.

I think it's fair to say that there would be a civil war for control of the parties direction. Trump tapped into a populist undercurrent which has previously eluded them, the Republicans and populist don't sit well together. Saying that the party has been split for quite some time with the Tea Party well entrenched. In a narrow loss he'd be the kingmaker and it would be interesting to see who he would back as frankly I can't imagine him backing anyone but himself.

For the democrats they really have problems. The deep divisions in the party were evident long before wikileaks confirmed that the fix against Sanders was in. The revelation that citibank chose Obama's cabinet hasn't sunk in yet but will have long term consequences. If the democrats can't win with the entire MSM working as a mouthpiece for the party, money to burn and endorsements from every celebrity of note then it isn't just the candidate at fault. I suspect the backlash from Sanders supporters, or those who were merely appalled at the way he was treated will fracture the party. I can't see the vested interests and leadership changing much so I wouldn't rule out a tea party style insurgency leading to a new party.

More interesting is to speculate what happens to the deeply entrenched special interests in a Trump win. Draining the swamp, though clearly seen as an attack on the democrats, cuts both ways. I doubt the republicans are whiter than white and they'll push back hard. Interesting times.

In a Clinton win, well nothing changes. Business as usual though I'd happily speculate on how long till she's impeached. The emails clearly show wrongdoing and some day she'll have to face the music. She'll be a lame duck in the same way Obama has been as I can't personally see the Republicans losing the houses. Had she been charged Obama could have pardoned her and people forget that the house has the tools to take her down. In fact what what I've seen I'd rate it as inevitable.

he likes celebs and boxing and wrestling and TV and that stuff

That wrestling footage when he punched Vince Mcmahon. I lost it

'Would Trump walk away i'

Not unless the whole thing ws staged. He likes the attention, there are rumours of a possible Trump TV (which I would immediately sign up for on cable) which will knock out Fox News with ease, and there is talk of a possible third party in the US led by Trump which takes the millions of Trumpsters with him away from the Establishment GOP. Then in four years time, it is the rematch - Establishment vs Trump.

'Draining the swamp, though clearly seen as an attack on the democrats, cuts both ways.'

Drianing the Swamp means cleaning up the Republicans. Trump doesn't like a lot of the Republican big shots and they don't like him.

'That wrestling footage when he punched Vince Mcmahon. I lost it'

Entertainment at its finest!

Ron Paul, whom I am not really a fan of because he pretends he is a philosopher, and therefore can't bring himself to bother endorsing Trump because politics is beneath him, has just said that elections are phoney and the Deep State controls them including abroad

I do sometimes wonder whether the Deep State woke up one morning, took a good look at the members of the political class, and said "sod this for a lark, we want Trump!"

To see someone like Trump, who challenges the entire status quo, being so successful, does make you wonder if the Deep State has changed direction.

Trump's final promise

"I am with you. I will fight for you and I will win for you. I promise"

Let's hope so.