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Clinton V Trump - into the final three weeks.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/10/2016 16:51

new thread. :)

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WinchesterWoman · 24/10/2016 20:05

Is it Clinton's direct involvement with Robert Creamer, who orchestrated the violence at Trump rallies?

Thing is, the Wikileaks and Podesta stuff was strong - stronger than this. But if the media simply absolutely refuse to report it - what are you going to do. If it was Trump doing this, it would be all over CNN. I can't imagine when I've seen greater collusion and corruption.

AT least when the Republicans stole it in 2000, the media were all over it. It's true they stole it, but it's not as if it was ignored.

claig · 24/10/2016 20:11

'If it was Trump doing this, it would be all over CNN'

Absolutely. Everyone can see through the media bias. Of course, the voters can see it too which is why they may surprise the elites on election day.

claig · 24/10/2016 20:14

It was similar in Brexit and we won that.

WinchesterWoman · 24/10/2016 20:17

I don't think the Remainers were as evil as this. They assumed they would win and let their guard down. But the Clinton team are very bad people and will stop at nothing. And she's just cruel and power hungry. They don't see anything wrong with it. They think the means justifies the end.

eternalopt · 24/10/2016 20:21

It might be all over but the shouting... but there will be a lot of shouting. Trump won't go quietly into the night and his fucking insane supporters won't either. He'll be banging on about it being fixed for years, as he wont be able to accept that he's lost

claig · 24/10/2016 20:23

I agree. But I think the Clinton team is just a small cog of a huge Establishment wheel, which is why the entire media is in the tank for Hillary. What is really at stake is the "trillions of dollars that the Establishment have on the line in this election" as Trump said in his speech. He said "Hillary Cinton is a vessel for the corrupt global establishment that is raiding our country". If Trump beats them, they are done worldwide, their entire game is up. That is why they are all desperate to stop him.

WinchesterWoman · 24/10/2016 20:24

Why do you have to write fucking insane?
I'm not writing 'evil and cruel clinton supporters' even though that's what i think SHE is.

WinchesterWoman · 24/10/2016 20:26

Hillary's got to be a worse candidate than George W and he was a nincompoop.

LadyConstanceDeCoverlet · 24/10/2016 21:19

How interesting that Trump's paranoia and resort to the vote rigging excuse are being so faithfully mirrored on here.

WinchesterWoman · 24/10/2016 21:30

Obviously the Clinton campaign is counting on those people in the US who accept what they're spoonfed by a compliant, complicit, non sceptical media. It's obviously worked in the UK.

Breadandwine · 24/10/2016 21:36

How interesting that Trump's paranoia and resort to the vote rigging excuse are being so faithfully mirrored on here. Grin

fucking insane?

"It’s science, stupid: Why do Trump supporters believe so many things that are crazy and wrong?"

WinchesterWoman · 24/10/2016 22:03

How interesting that when links, policies and exposures are raised, the knee jerk reaction is to ignore and resort to abuse. How like our own dear Clinton.

It's almost as if they had nothing else to say.

Lweji · 24/10/2016 22:47

eternalopt
I suspect you are right that the post election will be quite difficult.
Even with a big margin, It's quite possible he won't accept it. It could break up society.
Fingers crossed he'll just keep quiet.

eternalopt · 24/10/2016 22:58

Why do you have to write fucking insane?

Because that's my opinion. HTH Halo

I don't have a particular high view of Clinton, make no mistake. But as she is the only alternative to trump, she'd get my vote.

Given that I've only just discovered the Saturday night live sketches (thanks for the tip off Donald), I'm rather sad that it's coming to an end. Their versions of the debates are the funniest thing I've seen in a while!

WinchesterWoman · 25/10/2016 05:12

Proving that Clinton supporters truly are 'useful idiots'.

LadyConstanceDeCoverlet · 25/10/2016 07:21

Oh, the irony of someone who complains about the supposed "resort to abuse" accusing those who disagree with her of being idiots.

eternalopt · 25/10/2016 07:48

I'm a "useful idiot" because I disagree with you!! Brilliant. Having read your posts though, I'm delighted we're not on the same page! Grin

WinchesterWoman · 25/10/2016 07:54

Sadly for some they're unable to digest argument and evidence and they just can't rise above abuse. Poor things - stuck on a treadmill of incomprehension of anything but their own 'debate' 'technique', and free of understanding of the 'cause' they support.

WinchesterWoman · 25/10/2016 07:56

Clinton supporters are useful idiots because they are Clinton supporters Smile l doubt you've read all my posts and links. The style of your posting indicates that's pretty unlikely.

WinchesterWoman · 25/10/2016 07:58

Without trying to be too patronising, i just want to double check that you know what a useful idiot actually is. You seem to not to.

Lweji · 25/10/2016 07:59

It's really the other way around. He's been insulted and accused of everything and anything others could think of.

Did you follow his campaign from the beginning? Did you listen to what he said? What he's still saying?

He got millions of dollars worth of free press, which many independents don't get, and that probably explains why he was nominated. He got the media exposure that he wanted.
But, fame costs, and he started paying it when it came to a national election where his divisive and right wing (I wouldn't say policies) positioning doesn't convice many in the middle.
He also doesn't convince anyone with any critical thinking that he actually has any realistic policies. In social terms, despite the publicity, his proposals are behind Clinton's, but that's OK for his right wing core supporters.
He also can't cut taxes and hand out money, even if more businesses do relocate to the US. I don't know if they will. Or produce enough to export.

Regarding polls, the similar can be said of those from left wing as for right wing media.
Which is why I asked about Trump's own polls. He looks defeated, not someone who knows he's going to win. His own polls must be giving him a bleak picture.

Not the national overall vote, that's almost irrelevant, but the all important swing states. He has a mountain to climb.

Lweji · 25/10/2016 08:00

Don't worry WW, it's not patronising that you sound.

JassyRadlett · 25/10/2016 08:04

Sadly for some they're unable to digest argument and evidence

Hmm. You've used two words there that are generally useful prerequisites for meaningful political discourse, but I haven't actually noticed either in your posts?

WinchesterWoman · 25/10/2016 08:15

He does not have free press; he has publicity and fame. What happened in the primaries was not straightforward and was almost unprecedented. The press were against him. Even Fox. There was no major opinion maker on his side. It was worse than that: the 'neutral' press did not just report, they actively campaigned against him. The unprecedented thing that happened was the inverse effect of the media campaign against him. Every time they mocked, every time they focused on a minor criticism of Trump rather than a major failing of another candidate, every time they were sarcastic, or lewd, or dismissive or contemptuous, his ratings went up. That wasn't a message about Trump. That was a signal of the changed relationship between ordinary people and the establishment. In short, it was a clear sign for anyone who had their eyes open, that the conditions of trust that should obtain between the people and the authorities had crumbled. It showed back then that people no longer believed the authorities were on their side. That's why his support grew. It was the media's fault, at least partly. If they had taken him seriously he could have crossed over to being 'one of them' and lost the lustre of someone who can be trusted. As it is, he retained that lustre of trust, and it was burnished every time he was mocked or dismissed. Because that didn't say anything about Trump any more: it said something about the mocker, or the dismisser, and the thing it said was 'not to be trusted'. So no - he has never had Hillarys free media and it's ludicrous to suggest it. He's had to fight the media all the way.

WinchesterWoman · 25/10/2016 08:19

I started posting links instead because the abuse got boring. Then as soon as I repeated - bam - abuse from posters. It was like instant nastiness. Nastiness on tap. Lweji however has sought to argue. Therefore I'm arguing. If you are THAT interested (which I doubt) you could read some of my links. Or be snide again. Whatever.

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